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Пишет nancygold ([info]nancygold)
@ 2024-04-29 15:55:00


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Entry tags:russia, ukraine, ww3

How Ukrainian Army Works
https://tass.com/defense/1456129

Ukrainian POWs open up about ruthless anti-retreat squads
According to one of them, a platoon, which refused to fight, left, and no one ever saw them again

MOSCOW, May 26. /TASS/. Ukrainian soldiers, who surrendered to Russian forces on May 25, revealed that the Kiev regime had barrier troops (better known as anti-retreat squads) that threatened anyone with summary execution for attempting to retreat or for low morale.

"Our commander told us, when were on the battlefield: if you start retreating, we will shoot you, also behind you are barrier troops, which will be shooting those running away" Dmitry Tarasyuk from the 95th assault brigade of Ukraine’s Armed Forces said in a video, posted by Russia’s Defense Ministry on Thursday.

Tarasyuk also revealed that a platoon, which refused to fight, left. "No one ever saw them again," he said.

All soldiers, who surrendered during the fighting near Krasny Liman on May 25, gave testimony about these so-called barrier troops that punish those who do not want to fight, the Defense Ministry said.



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2024-04-29 16:04 (ссылка)
народ-богоносец jr.

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2024-04-29 16:09 (ссылка)
хохлоботы у миши то же самое писали, типа "так и надо", "нормальная практика"

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[info]nancygold
2024-04-29 16:12 (ссылка)
To be honest, Russia does the same.
In fact, all poor countries do that.

Even America, which can afford professional army, tends to use 3rd world recruits as a human shield.

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2024-05-01 04:53 (ссылка)
>To be honest, Russia does the same.

zero evidence.

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2024-04-29 16:19 (ссылка)
>tass.com

садков пожрал симоняновского говна. Лучше источника нет?

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2024-04-29 17:21 (ссылка)
у садкова садков единственный источник ггг

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2024-04-29 17:35 (ссылка)
проходи мимо слабоумный

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[info]nancygold
2024-04-29 18:27 (ссылка)
I do have Ukrainian trans girls as a source.
Ukraine indeed has forced conscription, trying to conscript even trans.
And those refusing to fight get expected treatment.

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2024-04-29 19:02 (ссылка)
forced conscription != barrier troops
getting beaten for refusing to serve != barrier troops

Try again.

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[info]nancygold
2024-04-29 21:19 (ссылка)
Once you have conscription, you have barrier troops and out of court executions for cowards.
How do you force people to fight without barrier troops?
Soviets had it, Nazis had, now Russia and Ukraine have it.
It has long history and always comes in hand with anti-retreat forces:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_military_unit

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2024-04-29 22:04 (ссылка)
>Once you have conscription, you have barrier troops and out of court executions for cowards.

Not necessarily. Not with the internet existing, and with the hazard of something like this leaking to the west to watch, undermining the willingness to provide support. In Russia you can leak anything you want: executions, torture, whatever -- there will be no reaction, for the obvious reasons.

>How do you force people to fight without barrier troops?

By beatings, punishments, other repercussions, and by the simple fact that once people become soldiers they just fight by themselves, willingly. People don't want to be cowards, unmanly traitors, deserters. That's the cultural programming that every society maintains. They'll lose a number of soldiers (and in fact there are allegations that there are at least 100k deserters in Ukraine now, hiding), but the rest will remain willingly.

Barrier troops is a specific type of enforcement -- troops staying behind and shooting those who retreat. There hasn't been any evidence of that on the Ukrainian side. Russian propaganda isn't evidence -- they have new "crucified boy" every hour.

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[info]nancygold
2024-04-29 22:15 (ссылка)
>simple fact that once people become soldiers they just fight by themselves, willingly.
>People don't want to be cowards, unmanly traitors, deserters.


Citation needed.

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2024-04-30 09:58 (ссылка)
Does honor exist? It exists. When you consider motivations of other people, you should account for your own neurodivergence -- the world isn't made of dark-triad hysterics, or whatever you are.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honour

"Honour can also imply duty to perform certain actions, such as providing for and disciplining one's children, serving in the military during war, contributing to local collective projects like building infrastructure, or exacting revenge in retaliation for acts one is directly harmed by."

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[info]nancygold
2024-04-30 13:55 (ссылка)
Here is a better research:
https://etd.library.emory.edu/concern/etds/h128nd824?locale=zh
>Culture of honor, psychopathy, and aggression: An examination of how regional differences and personality traits relate to aggression

Honor is an integral part of dark-triad.
True psychopaths have honor codes.
Like the "thief in law" Russian culture.

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2024-04-30 18:39 (ссылка)
You can google up any boolshit. Especially braindead humanities

Honor, the constructs of masculinity are inalineable part of all cultures, especially more backward Eastern European ones. It's part of the normal. If it's more expressed in dark triad population (which I doubt, your link doesn't support your assertion), then that would just be an interesting tidbit.

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[info]aryk38
2024-04-29 20:25 (ссылка)
симоняша милая

(жалко что ее придецца повесить. но потом - повесить!!)

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2024-04-29 21:07 (ссылка)
перед этим ее надо будет пытать, чтобы все рассказала

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[info]nancygold
2024-04-29 22:16 (ссылка)
You Ukrainians are no better than Russians.
Same bloodthirsty desire to murder people.

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2024-05-01 04:55 (ссылка)
Russians can be pretty bad, but these Ukrainian... 'people' are worse than animals.

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2024-04-30 02:09 (ссылка)
TASS is kremlyad, hehe. You eat putin's shit, anal retard and fucking tranny.

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2024-04-30 03:25 (ссылка)
Словно что-то плохое

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[info]nancygold
2024-04-30 13:33 (ссылка)
But I support both Kremlin and Kyiv.
So I'm allowed to cite any source I like.

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2024-04-30 18:10 (ссылка)
говноед ты, задков
тебе разрешено есть любое говно

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