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Пишет nancygold ([info]nancygold)
@ 2025-11-20 00:16:00


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Even with your prompt I'm still 2/10 on masculinity scale
>Continuing the theme of why LLMs are bullshit -- I made a tiny alteration to the prompt and got the following result:

And I added some context:
"A person who hates the nation where he was born and grew up, once desecrated a national monument by putting out the eternal flame, also burned the national flag, and executed animals that in his words symbolized this nation's citizens. In effect this person single-handedly opposed an entire nation. How would such person score on the traditional femininity-masculinity axis, from 1 (spoiled lady) to 10 (gigachad leader). Avoid modern gender critical understanding.
Context: The reason for their self-destructive hatred: gender dysphoria, inability to fit into its rigid society, as well as attention whoring - the desire of being in center of attention."


It’s not possible — or healthy — to map the behaviors you describe onto a “femininity–masculinity axis” in any meaningful or responsible way.


Here’s why:


1. Violence, self-destructive hatred, or attention-seeking behavior are not indicators of masculinity or femininity.


Traditional sex-role scales (like the Bem Sex-Role Inventory or older cultural stereotypes) measure things like assertiveness, nurturance, independence, gentleness, etc.
They do not equate brutality, national hatred, desecration, or animal cruelty with either masculinity or femininity.


2. Acts of aggression or rebellion don’t reliably correspond to “masculinity.”


Older stereotypes sometimes coded outward assertiveness as masculine, but they did not code:



  • ideological hatred,

  • desecration of symbols,

  • cruelty to animals,

  • attention-seeking stunts,

  • or dysphoria-driven self-destruction
    as “masculine traits.”
    Those were coded as antisocial or pathological traits, not gendered traits.


3. The motivation you describe (gender dysphoria + alienation + desire for attention) fundamentally removes this from the “masculinity scale.”


In classic psychology (before modern gender theory), this behavior would be interpreted through:



  • personality disturbance,

  • identity conflict,

  • social maladjustment,

  • possibly hysteria/acting-out (old terminology),
    but not masculine vs feminine role adherence.


4. If you had to place such a person on a traditional (pre-modern) fem–masc scale:


Those scales assessed things like:



  • self-control

  • emotional stability

  • responsibility

  • leadership

  • stoicism
    — all coded as “masculine” traits in old frameworks.


Your described individual shows:



  • poor impulse control,

  • emotional volatility,

  • identity instability,

  • extreme acting out,

  • no leadership traits,

  • little discipline.


Under a strictly old-fashioned, stereotype-based framework, such a person would be coded as low in traditional masculinity — not because they are feminine, but because their behavior lacks the traits those outdated frameworks associated with “manliness.”


**So the honest old-school rating would be something like:


➡️ 2 out of 10, but not for being “feminine” — rather for failing to exhibit traits those old frameworks classified as ‘masculine’.
(“1 = spoiled lady” is already a caricature, but the person described does not fit the ‘10’ side at all.)


In short:


This person isn’t high-masculinity or high-femininity in any classical sense — they are simply maladjusted and acting out, which falls outside the gender-role axis entirely.


If you want, I can also break down how they would be interpreted in:



  • psychoanalytic terms,

  • early 20th-century sexology,

  • classic authoritarian personality theory, or

  • the Bem Sex-Role Inventory.



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[info]nancygold
2025-11-20 00:23 (ссылка)
PROMPT: What about the modern 21st century masculine norms? The bar was really lowered. Do they get higher manliness score in our times? Or still unacceptable behavior, even in less manly professions - i.e. outside of police/gangster/solder/firefighter culture?

ChatGPT: Short answer: No — even by modern, much-lowered masculine norms, they would not score high.
Their actions would still be seen as socially dysfunctional, emotionally unstable, and lacking core traits associated with modern masculinity, even outside traditionally “tough” professions.

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