BTW, about cash ban: last time I pointed something similar to Arkanoid, he returned me that getting anonymous plastic is a simple task.

Never seen how I could get one, though, and I have no idea where to get it.

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it does not alleviate the problem of agency.

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It does, to a large degree. When the bank does not know who you are -- they cannot discriminate you on a personal basis. He can just die entirely.

Well, Centrobank (or FRS), responsible for banknotes, could die just as fine.

And therefore, they become non-actors in this transaction -- as they cannot act.

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if FRS dies paper bills will retain value as long as people are failing to print them.
if you plastic bank dies your plastic loses its value.

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>paper bills will retain value

Not of a much, though.

And, this have a meaning only when valueing bank accounts as a savings instrument -- not when analyzing it's actorship/intervenueing agent abilities.

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actually the cash is a perfect valuable-artifact in a fallout scenario! it will even gain value because the money mass will shrink several orders of magnitude.

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>actually the cash is a perfect valuable-artifact in a fallout scenario!

No, USSR'1991 and Zimbabwe'2000s clearly shows that no.

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wow! great examples!
but why?!
this is totally illogical...
maybe, the lack of actual "fallout"? -- the govt and the central bank DID NOT die! they continued to enforce some bullshit money while prohibiting the alternatives.

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And you really think, that it could be OTHER fallout?

No.

Well, yes, if nothing of animals but plain worms are rest -- but this is really another story.


And in real scenarios even without printing additional banknotes -- no 25-roubles printed anymore, for example -- and without much enforcing -- USD used just fine in Russia in 1992-1995 -- 25-roubles did not have value. And all others too.

Well, there is a well-defined economic reason: paper money really have defined value. Financial fantasies about it's value as a tax measure and accepted tax funds are not fantasies -- but the real mechanism for valuation of unfunded paper money.

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so, when we move from a conventional value to "rarity value", it is a no-starter because (despite rarity, unfakeability, etc) we simply have no idea how to quantify/measure the rarity value.

we have some artifacts that we CAN use as money, IF we agree upon a certain measure how to evaluate these artifacts. -- and here the story ends, we can not agree.

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Actually, gold is more valuable... And nickel/copper is as valueable as gold, sufficiently compact for local savings and much safer.

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yes, metals have proven their value.
but, details matter, in some fallout scenarios bread may become more valuable. you see how difficult it is to assess anything....

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Bread (well, flour) definitely will be valuable, but: 1) It is harder to store flour. It suffer from bags and rodents badly.
2) It is much less compact. Currently it is comparable to iron in USD/kg, and much smaller in USD/m^3, therefore a lot of space is required to store it.

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> It is much less compact.

this is only a matter of starvation.
when everybody around have stored enough metals and ate up all food... then flour became very compact. like a two wedding rings for half a kilo.

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Well, two wedding rings in that case probably much less than half a kilo nevertheless.

But you are right, a good food may be a good investition to first months of follaut.

btw, occasionally read this: http://www.infran.ru/vovenko/60years_ww2/mil_spb.htm . The last story is eh... unbelievable. And the most unbelievable is that those created that novel (not just that historian that reproduced it in our time, but those recorded it for Leningrad Militia museum) -- they was pretty sure, that it is pro-soviet propaganda. No reflections, no confusion.

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i am not converting you to Prepperism!
i am only trying to show that the gold value is also situational. as you pointed out it is good FOR NOW... in different situations odds are you will not be able to find a buyer for your gold.

if, however, you take those fallout dangers seriously (i have no idea why we are talking about it) then i recommend LUXURY CONSUMABLES. Sugar, Tobacco, Salt, Pepper, Alcohol, you got the idea.

...and subscribe to the youtube channel "Penny University"

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>i have no idea why we are talking about it

Because you post about defensive security, and defensive security is always about fallouts. Even you get examples of small personal fallouts inspired by gangsters to illustrate your point.

However, our examples of total fallouts are good illustration of valuables values metamorphoses -- that's why we talk about it in this thread.

btw, why do you think that I don't take total fallout dangers seriously? You and I personally survived at least one, our parents probably one more, and there was even one in place you live now when you was already adult. So, I definitely take that dangers seriously.

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pamagite!

ja delal reliz pri pomochi erlang.mk+relx bez ponimanija vsego.
rabotalo iz korobki, avto-sozdanyj stratskript zapuskal epmd i run_erl.

pereshol na rebar3.
nashol kakijeto zapuskalki v bin kataloge reliza.
zapuskajet toljko moju programmu, run_erl ne zapuskajet. v itoge noda ne otvechajet na pingi.

CHOJADELAJUNITAK?

mozhet ja ne s togo konca reliz zapuskaju? ili nado chto-to jemu pro sborke reliza skazatj?

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>pereshol na rebar3.
>CHOJADELAJUNITAK?

It's obvious, I think.

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poplakal v zhiletku avtoru erlang.mk on skazal chto vsjo prostit i razreshil mne obratno na erlang.mk xoditj.

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Roman Empire is Islam of the Greek Democracy.

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ne sovsem tak, tochnoj analogii net mezhdu chisto religioznym zaxvatom vlasti i normaljnoj vojnoj, no vsjo ravno smeshno.

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Pro xristianstvo tozhe nje sovsjem tak -- xristianstvo narozhdalosj vnutri rimskoj impjerii, a islam -- sugubo vnjeshen po otnosheniju k jevropjejskoj cyvilizacyi.

Vsje analogii otstoj. Chto podjelajesh.

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I da, ja podozrjevaju, chto v romjei vs grjeki vopros byl nje stoljko v zaxvatje kak takovom -- skoljko v transformacyi rimskoj rjespubliki v rimskuju imperiju cherez 100 ljet poslje zaxvata.

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ja dumaju chto oni katilisj k imperii vpolne logichno i samostojateljno.

konechno the size of the domain factors into it massively.

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