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Пишет tristes_tigres ([info]tristes_tigres)
@ 2014-11-04 02:12:00


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Украинцы хотят ещё повоевать?
Считать кого-то ватником, колорадом и недочеловеком, или не считать - личное дело каждого.
Но поступать по справедливости и уважать чужие права полагается в том числе и даже в особенности
по отношению к неприятным тебе людям. Потому что уважать другого и уважать его права - разные вещи.

А вот кто говорит, "у жителей востока украины неправильные ценности,
поэтому их можно обстреливать из Градов кассетными боеприпасами" - так себе человек, не уважаю
совершенно. И не жалко таких будет совершенно.


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[info]tiphareth
2014-11-04 05:28 (ссылка)

Ukraine says it has never used cluster bombs in fight with separatists
Ukraine crisis
A Ukrainian soldier fires an automatic grenade launcher near the Donetsk-area village of Peski on Monday. Ukraine's armed forces on Tuesday rejected allegations that they have used cluster bombs in the war against pro-Russia separatists. (Aleksey Chernyshev / AFP/Getty Images)
By Carol J. Williams contact the reporter
UkraineRussiaCrimeaHuman RightsUkraine Crisis (2013-2014)Human Rights Watch
Human Rights Watch says it documented a dozen instances cluster bombs used by Ukrainian forces
Ukrainian security official denies government has used prohibited weapons against pro-Russia separatists
Massive explosion in Donetsk on Monday caused by militants trying to restart munitions production, Kiev says

Ukrainian armed forces have never used prohibited weapons such as cluster bombs in their fight against pro-Russia separatists, a military spokesman insisted Tuesday after a rights group reported that it had documented a dozen instances in which the indiscriminate weapons were used in populated areas.

The report by Human Rights Watch also said there were circumstances, “while not conclusive,” suggesting that the separatists as well had used the munitions. Cluster bombs pack dozens or hundreds of small bomblets in a warhead that bursts open and scatters them over a wide area, often putting civilians at risk.
Ukraine crisis
A ball of fire is seen after a massive explosion on the outskirts of Donetsk, in eastern Ukraine, on Monday. (Oleksandr Klymenko / AFP/Getty Images)

“It is shocking to see a weapon that most countries have banned used so extensively in eastern Ukraine,” Human Rights Watch senior arms researcher Mark Hiznay said of the group’s weeklong investigation of the use of cluster bombs in Donetsk, a city of 1 million residents before the conflict.

Cluster bombs leave a distinctive crater and fragmentation pattern, the rights group’s report noted, saying markings found helped the group determine that Ukrainian government weapons were used.

Col. Andriy Lysenko of the National Security and Defense Council sought to undercut the report, saying independent observers in battle-torn eastern Ukraine needed to be vigilant against incidents staged by the Russia-backed separatists.
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“There are provocations every day. The terrorists set up these scenes, especially for Russian television,” Lysenko said, adding that Kiev doesn’t use cluster bombs by order of President Petro Poroshenko.

The Human Rights Watch report alleging government use of the weapons — banned by the Convention on Cluster Munitions — as recently as last week added to the mounting indications that a Sept. 5 cease-fire is having little effect on the bloody violence that has been consuming eastern Ukraine. Russia and Ukraine — as well as the United States — have not signed the international accord, which went into effect in 2010 among the more than 80 nations that have ratified it.
Ukraine crisis
Caption Ukraine crisis
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Smoke rises over the Svyato-Iversky Women's Monastery during an artillery battle near the airport in Donetsk, Ukraine, on Oct. 7.
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Caption Crisis in Ukraine
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Glass from blown-out windows litters the classroom of a school in Donetsk, Ukraine, after a shell exploded nearby. Four people were killed in the Oct. 1 blast, which took place on the first day of school in a neighborhood close to the city's airport.
Crisis in Ukraine
Caption Crisis in Ukraine
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A school in Donetsk, Ukraine, shows damage after a shell exploded nearby, killing four people, on Oct. 1.
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Caption Crisis in Ukraine
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An injured man arrives at a hospital after shelling in Donetsk, Ukraine, on Oct. 1.
Crisis in Ukraine
Caption Crisis in Ukraine
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A pro-Russia separatist soldier checks on a burned-out bus after a shell exploded near a bus stop in Donetsk, Ukraine, on Oct. 1.

Although Lysenko said no Ukrainian government troops had been killed in the previous 24 hours, he made it clear that soldiers and volunteer militia fighters had been engaged by numerous attacks around Donetsk. His claim that many enemy fighters were killed in the sporadic battles appeared to be borne out by a report carried by Russia’s Tass news agency quoting the defense ministry of the proclaimed People’s Republic of Donetsk saying that 12 people had been killed and 27 wounded.

Five of the dead in Donetsk and 19 of the injured were gunmen and the rest were civilians, Tass reported.

“If the Ukrainian authorities talk about the truce, they lie,” the breakaway region’s so-called prime minister, Alexander Zakharchenko, was quoted by Tass as saying.
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Come on, LA Times, why aren't you reporting the Ukrainian military claims that Russia used nuclear weapons against them? Could it be that if your readers knew how ludicrous typical claims from the terminally corrupt Ukraine military really are, they wouldn't believe a single one of...
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Lysenko, at his daily briefing in Kiev, was asked whether Russian troops had pulled back from the Ukrainian border, as Russian President Vladimir Putin said he had ordered. There were 17,600 Russian soldiers along the volatile border, purportedly for military exercises, when the Kremlin chief ordered them back to their permanent bases Sunday.

“We don’t have confirmation that they have pulled back,” Lysenko said, adding that initial indications of movement turned out to be short-lived. “The majority of the Russian forces are still there.”

The security spokesman also reported that a massive explosion in Donetsk on Monday that blew out windows for miles around a shuttered chemical plant was caused by an attempt by the separatist gunmen to restart production of explosives.

“The explosion occurred because the militants didn't have the technical capabilities to carry out the production process,” Lysenko said, adding that he didn't have information on casualties from the blast.
It is shocking to see a weapon that most countries have banned used so extensively in eastern Ukraine. - Human Rights Watch senior arms researcher Mark Hiznay

Use of heavy weapons and sophisticated munitions and technology has increased in recent weeks. About 400 people have been killed during the purported cease-fire. Since the fighting began in earnest in April, more than 3,700 have been killed, the United Nations’ human rights agency recently estimated.

Ukrainian authorities have lately accused the separatists of gaining more accurate targets for shelling thanks to the operation of drone aircraft from Russia to pinpoint targets. The drone sightings, especially over the front-line city of Mariupol on the Sea of Azov, have strengthened accusations from Ukrainian authorities and their Western allies that Russia is arming and assisting the insurgents in their quest to take territory and destabilize Ukraine.

Poroshenko in late August disbanded the dysfunctional parliament that had been left behind when his pro-Russia predecessor, Viktor Yanukovich, fled the country in February in the face of protests calling for greater ties to Europe. Early elections to replace the 450-seat Supreme Council are set for Sunday, and Ukrainian security officials warn that they are braced for further attacks on the eve of the parliamentary voting.

Putin seized Ukraine’s Crimea region after Yanukovich fled, claiming that Moscow was obliged to step in and protect the largely Russian-inhabited peninsula from those who took power in Kiev. Russia annexed Crimea in mid-March, inspiring the separatists in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions to seize government buildings and try to force similar territorial transfers.
http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-ukraine-russia-cluster-bombs-20141021-story.html

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[info]tiphareth
2014-11-04 05:32 (ссылка)
Ukraine’s military spokesman, Andriy Lysenko, said: “We do not use cluster munitions. They can only be used by aviation and our aviation has not flown since the announcement of a ceasefire on 5 September.”

Another military spokesman, Vladyslav Seleznyov, described the accusations as “utter nonsense”.

Human Rights Watch said: “While not conclusive, circumstances indicate that anti-government forces might also have been responsible for the use of cluster munitions.”

Russia has denied sending troops or weapons to help the rebels but Human Rights Watch urged Moscow to commit itself to not using cluster bombs and agree to the cluster munitions treaty.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/21/cluster-bombs-ukraine-human-rights-watch

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[info]tristes_tigres
2014-11-04 16:07 (ссылка)
“We do not use cluster munitions. They can only be used by aviation

Украинские источники такие украинские




The BM-21 Grad has 40 launching tubes for 122-mm rockets. The standard rocket with a HE-FRAG warhead is 2.87 m long and weights 66.6 kg. Warhead itself weights 18.4 kg. It also fires rockets fitted with incendiary, chemical, smoke, illumination or cluster warheads. Cluster warheads contain anti-tank or anti-personnel submunitions.

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[info]tiphareth
2014-11-04 05:46 (ссылка)
Ukraine’s military spokesman, Andriy Lysenko, said: “We do not use cluster munitions. They can only be used by aviation and our aviation has not flown since the announcement of a ceasefire on 5 September.”

Another military spokesman, Vladyslav Seleznyov, described the accusations as “utter nonsense”.

Human Rights Watch said: “While not conclusive, circumstances indicate that anti-government forces might also have been responsible for the use of cluster munitions.”

Russia has denied sending troops or weapons to help the rebels but Human Rights Watch urged Moscow to commit itself to not using cluster bombs and agree to the cluster munitions treaty.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/21/cluster-bombs-ukraine-human-rights-watch

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[info]tristes_tigres
2014-11-04 16:08 (ссылка)
Ukraine’s military spokesman said
Ukraine’s military spokesman said
Ukraine’s military spokesman said

А разгадка одна - Ukraine’s military spokesman said

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[info]tiphareth
2014-11-04 05:48 (ссылка)


The OSCE has refuted claims by Human Rights Watch that Ukraine's military uses cluster bombs in its fight against Kremlin-backed insurgents. The OSCE spokesperson to human rights group's mission in Ukraine said that none of its 90 observers deployed in the conflict zone had recorded any instances of cluster munitions attacks in the Donetsk region.

The OSCE's comments come a day after the Ukrainian Defence Ministry said government troops do not use any ammunition which is banned under the Geneva Convention. Spokesman Andriy Lysenko dismissed the accusations by saying that militants were fabricating and spreading false information in order to provoke international condemnation of the Ukrainian army.

Andriy Lysenko, Ukrainian Defence Ministry spokesperson: "We wish to appeal to the representatives of international organizations to provide a more detailed report supported by the relevant facts and evidence. Regarding the use of cluster munitions in civilian districts of Donetsk, I would like to state that the Ukrainian military does not use such weapons in peaceful city districts. This is prohibited by the President of Ukraine and Supreme Commander Petro Poroshenko"

Human Rights Watch documented some of their findings in this video.

Ole Solvang, senior Researcher, Human Rights Watch: "Since all the parties to the conflict in eastern Ukraine use the same weapons, it's sometimes difficult to establish with certainty the responsibility for a certain attack"

Cluster bombs are designed to release smaller bomblets in midair which spread over a wide area upon impact. The weapon is banned due to its indiscriminate and inaccurate nature. Ukraine is not part of an international treaty that prohibits the use of the munitions.
http://uatoday.tv/politics/osce-no-evidence-of-backing-human-rights-watch-claims-of-cluster-munitions-in-eastern-ukraine-375189.html

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[info]dexter
2014-11-04 12:10 (ссылка)
>uatoday.tv

тымчук, владеющий пендосской мовой, тымчуком быть не перестаёт.

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[info]tristes_tigres
2014-11-04 16:59 (ссылка)
Во-во. "The OSCE has refuted", а ссылка почему-то на украинский сайт, а не OSCE

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