UK media sting ops: Project 2025

Russell Vought, one of the authors of Project 2025, had a conversaion with a right-wing supporter from a wealthy family, or so he thought; but perse was really a British journalist who recorded the whole conversation.

In the recording, Vought claimed that the bullshitter was lying when he said that Project 2025 has nothing to do with him. Which one was lying — the corrupter or Vought? We can't tell a priori, since Vought seems to approve of lying for political victory. But since many of his close supporters believe Project 2025 is for him, I think that he told them it was.