Да. Только почему "хреф"?

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А хреф его знает. Поправил.

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Избыточно.

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С цифрами у них не то, но слова хорошие. Слова очень хорошие.

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Слова хорошие. В каком году появилась табличка, интересно?

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Да, интересно.

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а по-моему, и с цифрами то

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Там неудачно: слева на табличке как будто запятая, а справа как будто дефис. Но слова хорошие.

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Можно попридираться (типа "а до 37-го никто не уходил?"), но лучш не надо - большое дело сделали...

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Принято, слова правильные.

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молодцы, однако.

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Слова хорошие.

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Christian Boltanski, "The Missing House," 1990
Grosshamburger Strasse, Berlin

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I must be an extremely cold-hearted bitch, 'cause it takes me at least 3 minutes to work up sympathy for dead Germans, and often I don't bother.

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Sorry, didn't mean to post anonymously.

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For some reason, IP Address Locator thinks that 66.245.141.69 is in Atlanta, GA.

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Yes, I'm particularly proud of that. All sorts of idiots who try to trace me end up in all sorts of wrong states.

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When I trace myself, I end up in Brooklyn, because that is how Verizon Wireless (cell modem card) works. Cannot say it's too wrong, though (even if I am hundreds of miles to the north).

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Cool!

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It so happened that all the residents of this particular building were Jewish. Just for the record.

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Thanks, I didn't know that - geography, including geography of Berlin, is not really my forte. Point is - it doesn't matter. One ought to feel sorry for dead civilians regardless of what shape their noses were, or who killed them, or even whether they were killed by the good guys or the bad guys. But it's fucking difficult.

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You've got the advice below. I did not need it in the first place.

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That's good, because advice tends to be either bad or expensive.

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Это дом ж еврейском квартале Берлина. Такой там Холокост мемориал. Поименно.

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Spasibo. Pechal'no to, chto i Vam i mne kazhetsja, chto qto vazhno.

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Еще печальней, что я даже не задумалась над этим. Ну конечно мне это важно. Т.е. я понимаю, что, наверное, должно быть не важно. По какому-то большому счету. Но у меня другой, свой маленький, личный счет.

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Ja tozhe ne zadumyvalas', poqtomu osoznav ogorchilas' :(

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You need to work on your character. What you wrote is a sign of weakness.

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My character includes not giving a shit about whether anything I do is a sign of something :)

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Well, at least you did not post anonymously this time; that is an improvement. :-)

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Double logins are a pain :(

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I know. But there is something about anonymous comments which is not right.

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Is there? Besides mere inconvenience, that is. After all, neither you nor I are signing this with our real names, and for my part I don't plan to. In fact, I like the possibility of anonymity so much that I don't record IP addresses in my journal. What would you say is wrong with anonymous comments?

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I am, in fact, signing with my real name.

A problem (just one) with anonymous comments is that there is no established persona behind the words. An lj user works out a certain personality, and a history of conversations helps to build up an ongoing relationship. An anonymous author is always a passerby.

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Cema is not a name that makes you uniquely identifiable, but let's put that aside, since your point is valid: an anonymous author is, indeed, always a passerby. What I'm failing to grasp is why that should be a problem, rather than a pleasant diversion.

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I am uniquely identifiable!

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No, but certainly unique :)

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Identifiably unique.

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If you say so. I'm not able to identify you based on the information I have, but I'm lazy AND ignorant, so someone out there probably can. But even if we leave personalities aside we can still have ourselves a nice argument.

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We can have a nice argument because we can identify each other (as we are not anonymous).

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I've had lovely arguments in conditions of complete anonymity. The only necessary condition is uniqueness.

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If you can refer to a previously made comment as "yours" with sufficient justification, your level of anonymity grows lower. You are less anonymous then. Thus we can see different levels of anonymity. As Simon Hawkin I have no anonymity. As mme_n_b@lj you are more anonymous, because you cannot be connected to anything outside LJ; but you can be connected to all your postings and comments in LJ, so you are not anonymous inside LJ. And your real-life friends may know your LJ user name too. If they do not, you are more anonymous. Et cetera.

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OK, it's one of these pesky vocabulary differences - no problem. In that case, accepting the vocabulary you use, I would say that the maximum level of anonymity that permits a conversation is "cannot be connected to anything outside this conversation", thus a post made with neither name nor IP nor distinguishing wording in presence of others is too anonymous, but a post made with a one-time nickname is just about right. I think that this level of anonymity allows the best arguments, since there's almost no chance of ad-hominems and neither side will be able to act on prior knowledge. Instead of a one-time nickname it's OK to use an anonymous post with a one-time IP.

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Prior knowledge is often useful, for example, when trying to understand the vocabulary of the other party. The situation is different from, say, scholarly papers, which are usually reviewed anonymously with something very similar to what you called a one-time nickname. In a science (as in: a branch of science), people tend to agree about terms before they start writing papers. In other contexts, it is rarely so.

This was just one point against anonymity.

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I think that the inconvenience of having to state one's definitions is outweighed by the benefits:
1. This forces one to examine the definitions
2. This allows one to learn new ways of looking at things that seemed obvious
The drawbacks of former knowledge are that it may contaminate debate with emotions, either positive or negative and may cause one to make incorrect assumptions about the opponent's meaning.

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Emotions are inevitable. And anyhow, most of LJ is not a scientific discussion, but small talk, leisurely perusal of words and their combinations. Personality is then as important as the contents of the message.

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Most of LJ is small talk, but you will notice that I consistently speak about debate and argument, which is a form of sport. One would no more want emotions towards an opponent to influence a debate than a chess game.

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How about a game of poker?

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I would if I could but I can't

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So that's out. What's in?

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Well, there's the poetry game from Kama Sutra...

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Номер 28? Строфы должны быть из классической поэзии, из любой поэзии, или сочиняться самими участниками?

Или номер 49?

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Let's try 28. (Sorry, English is easier for me at work, unless you prefer translit). Conditions: lines can be from anywhere. If they are made up by the player they must rhyme (that means more than one line) and scan. Every player must answer the "where's that from?" if asked.

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I'll get us started. http://mme-n-b.livejournal.com/60858.html?thread=341178#t341178

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Cool! Well, I gotta run — Gorodnitsky is in town. He rhymes well.

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Lucky you!

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He made a movie about Yiddish. Shot in Belarus and Israel. Hmm.

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