нет, невский 100
к счастью, кто ушел, ушел сразу и навсегда, но таких немного
рыночная экономика едва ли может быть идеологией - ее очень мало, почти нет
идея внутреннего саморазрушения и резкая, но продолжительная революция 1985-2003 г.г.
охотно поупражняю, а как?

Well, it's simple. We can go on in English.

Market economy is not so much about how much free market there is, it's about what people think there life is all about. That's what I mean. 15 years ago there were building communism, now they are selling and buying. Isn't that supposed to be called free market?

But during revolutions people don't get brainless, they get confused, disoriented, but not brainless. Or am I missing something? It's the same people who managed reasonably well just 15 years ago. Not great, but okay. Why did they all become brainless all of a sudden? Collective will to die?

That's fine.
A mentality of selling and buying is not for everyone. It's a group of people of, what I'd call, lower classes. Market economy, in my view, is when people can, think and really do a business of their own. An enterprenural spirit, if you wish. In any field but they take a risk working on their own contrary to working on someone else. And there isn't too much of it now.
It's what Dostoevsky knew very well: if anything around you crushes entirely with no return, first thing you start to do is crushing yourself. And then you, being confused and disoriented, start do something different in order to stay alive. But destroying yoursefl is more our character, isn'it.
It would be more easy for me to use e:mail. How about it?

"Lower" meaning working class, I suppose. In Russia, it would seem, the idea that everything's for sale and that money buys anything is not a working class idea. On the contrary it appears that people with an income that puts them among middle class and higher have this attitude. It's the same in other countries, by the way.

I wasn't talking so much about what actually takes place, but about what's being said with lots of persuasion. I.e. ideology. And it's being said that market economy is the way to go. Isn't that ideology, especially considering what you say? That is, that there is not so much free market, all things considered, in Russia.

Your tail is wagging the dog, if you know this expression. First "everything crushed" and then people became brainless and started self-anihilation. But why did it crash in the first place? If by "we" you mean Russians, I absolutely can't agree about self-destruction. I don't know any other nation that has survived through such an intensive genocide as Russians endured in the XX century and continue to endure now. It's appropriate to speak about an incredible will to live and adoptability.

I don't particularly like e-mail, since I already get a few dozen messages a day at work. I'd rather use comments. Especially since other people may want to read and reply to them.

I belong to a middle class group (my income is very high by Russian standards, especially for St.Petersburg) and I don't think money can buy everything. Rather I think that money is a good tool. Working people here think that money is a target of life. And they also beleive that buying and selling can make them important and rich.

The way you put it, market economy appears to be an ideology. An ideolody with no real beleif and/or support. Another slogan, perhaps.

Incredible will to live and adoptability is something that kept FEW people continue do something in order to stay alive. Not all of them. There have been two ways: honest and dishonest (stealing). My brother, for example, had good times being an electronic engineer at a military and space oriented enterprise and later on he worked as a sales person in a shop (if you feel the difference), he was 40 at that time. He was not alone. Completely disoriented people really dissappeared. Self-destruction always existed, always, and it increased since 1985 (look at alcohol consumation figures, drugs, etc.)

Working people here think that money is a target of life. And they also beleive that buying and selling can make them important and rich.
That is hard to believe. It's the same people who less than 25 years ago knew nothing about free market. Younger people may think so, but those who grew up under the Soviet system, how would they change? I just don't see that. Rather, for most working people there is simply not enough to live on. That's not a lust for money, that's a lust for life.

The way you put it, market economy appears to be an ideology.
Correct.

Incredible will to live and adoptability is something that kept FEW people continue do something in order to stay alive. Not all of them.
Not all of them, but not few. It's just that there is a limit to how much people can change. To some Russians the change required to survive is too much. But think of it: change the social system in any country in under 5 years and have only 1 mln. negative population dynamics! That's some will to live.

There have been two ways: honest and dishonest (stealing).
There is no honest way to live well. I am not talking about yourself. But in general there is no honest way to live well under the system.

Self-destruction always existed, always, and it increased since 1985 (look at alcohol consumation figures, drugs, etc.)
That's what I've been talking about. For some people the change is just too much. Plainly put: if that's life, I don't wanna live it, that's how they think. I guess hgr knows more about it.

Да что Вы такое говорите? Кому ж не хотелось денег побольше в брежневские времена? Это ж Вам не военный коммунизм. Все уже было - ЖСК, Березки, комиссионки, импортное шмотье, фрукты на рынке... Только воровать было трудно. Но теперь эта проблема решена.

sorry, can't spell for the life of me. It's "they", not "there".