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Пишет jalynski ([info]jalynski)
@ 2009-11-26 10:25:00


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Семья народов
В рамках человеческой семьи реализованы отношения, наиболее близкие к коммунизму: свобода как осознанная необходимость, равенство, братство, производство по способностям, распределение по потребностям, а также евангельская любовь. Ну и вера-надежда, естественно… Об «успешности» или «конкуренции» и не слыхать.
Далее в рамках государства хитрые дяди допускают равенство, но «возможностей» и конкуренцию с эксплуатацией, а также вооруженные особые отряды, хотя, без повседневного смертоубийства – как у зверушек.
Далее на уровне межгосударственном предусматриваются массовые убийства в целях правильной реализации «конкуренции», «успешности» и «равных возможностей» или без такой цели – хуже, чем у зверушек.
А коммунисты хотят, чтоб всё насквозь было как в одной человеческой семье, а не как у зверушек.


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2009-11-26 19:43 (ссылка)
True communism has never been seen.
Ideal family has never been seen.
This is the first similarity between them.

What we know as communism is hell with a few exceptions,
What we know as the family is a paradise with a few exceptions.
This is the second similarity between them.

And there is no more….

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[info]basic_kremlin@lj
2009-11-26 22:55 (ссылка)
What we know as communism is hell with a few exceptions
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That's wrong. It can’t be a hell what the most people regret.

61 percent of Russians and 54 percent of Ukrainians regret the collapse of the Soviet Union.

http://www.javno.com/en-world/only-11-percent-of-the-world-likes-the-capitalism_280847

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2009-11-28 18:01 (ссылка)
Installing chains on the brains communism of the twentieth century gave hope that really didn’t exist and gave false sense of security. Communism collapse was a shock but also a beginning of a new life in a real world. Much more difficult than communist quasi-happiness. Only now it is possible consciously add “quasi” to the communist happiness, in which we believed before and in which 61/54 percent still believe.

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[info]jalynski@lj
2009-11-29 01:42 (ссылка)
Communism is supposed to be brotherhood. If you believe in brotherhood no more - OK... Adhere to your "new" beliefs. But if you do (christians are supposed to...) - just don't mix ideals and man's wrong. And ad hoc my personal effort for communism is connected with several things;
1. Anti-communism and anti-sovietism now is the practical action agains Russia.
2. The fall of ideals in Russia and the power of greed ant thieves should be countered by the egalitarian and socialist movement (summarizes as communism - common, commune - a very popular word in Europe...).
3. You can't move forward by power of spitting backwards.

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2009-11-29 06:40 (ссылка)
No attempts to reach communism should have been started in such difficult conditions. So perfect ideals, so many sacrifices, so many hope wasted forever. Replaced by crime, violence and slavery in history chronicles. Even imperfect man nature can’t be any justification.
Communism with its noble ideals must have a solid basis – some kind of prosperity. There are development stages which may not be skipped. Just to avoid pathology. Just to avoid history repetition.
US prosperity achieved by heavy personal work seems not to be a dreams fulfillment for US people, who are lucky today to be perfectly prepared to appreciate ideals.
For sure the capitalism way is not the only and not the best solution to reach conditions for ideal communism. Let’s hope that any other exists. But… keep ourselves far away from defining the communism – which is the past in fact – as our future..
Businessman-salesman-policeman-manager may be friend-comrade-brother in the same time , competition may constitute motivation , success – just reward. The new communism should not be in a contradiction with the real life – otherwise will remain an idea for ever.




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[info]jalynski@lj
2009-11-30 03:45 (ссылка)
ОК! I agree if personally successful people are A. Matrosov, N. Gastello, Z. Kosmodemyanskaya, Y. Gagarin and so, you know: workers, soldiers, doctors, theachers, farmers, scientists and , say, 1 (one) manager/businessman per 100 of professionals. If the personally successful people are super-global-thieves (even state- and Church- appreciated) - I doubt very much about such kind motivation...

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2009-11-30 13:41 (ссылка)
Those super-global-thieves are not the managers nor the personally successful people. They have nothing in common with real managers/professionals/motivation/success. They constitute a big mistake and a big shame of the system. And a big problem of Russia today because they cause great emotions among the others - jealousy and envy but also admiration - unfortunately. They show the hankey-pankey way of life – it is the real catastrophe. They don’t build the new system , they don’t create the proper mechanism. Since it is not possible to send them to the Moon .the only way is to ignore them – to save the own nerves.

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[info]jalynski@lj
2009-12-01 01:22 (ссылка)
H-m-m...
This big mistake is the owner of Russia and promoted by Kremlin, and they officially "help" the Church. I don't "envy" then, since i know, that nobody can earn such money. They are the HGWell's martians.

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[info]jalynski@lj
2009-11-27 03:44 (ссылка)
Nice wordings but sort of superficial.
You see, there is one more parallel: Paradise is an ideal never seen and never reached. You know the result of people's trying to serve this goal: crusades, witchhunt, Iquisition, Conquistadors, Jihad...
Communism is a similar ideal too. The attempts to reach Communism have just started and relevant failures are less numerous. Irregardless of the attempts to reach ideals the Mankind have waged a lot of wars - even World Wars...
You just should blame the imperfectnature of man - not the ideals.
Mark Provinsal told me: Your society must reward ideals. I think it's a most profound priciple. "Successful" feeding man on man is too primitive. Man to man is friend-comrade-brother, not businesman, salesman, policeman or manager

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