Миша, во Франции, конечно, много чего есть, но точность все-таки важна:

В самой Франции держатель ЛЮБОЙ страницы обязан
регистрироваться в полиции, паспорт и все дела

У меня штук пять страничек у разных французских бесплатных провайдеров. Для открытия любой из них нужен был лишь действующий E-mail - по нему присылают активационный код. Никакого паспорта и регистрации в полиции не надо.

То есть, Миша, я понимаю, конечно, идею, что экстремистские аргументы лучше доходят до аудитории. Таким образом, например EFF действовал всегда, и Ваш постинг про "регистрацию в полиции" в том же духе. Но при всем моем уважении к RMS, считаю, что в конечном счете от такой позиции вреда больше, чем пользы. A force de crier au loup...

А со всем остальным, про soixanthuitards и французскую (гуманитарную прежде всего) академическую среду согласен, конечно. У Режиса Дебре книжка про них года два назад вышла, "i.f., suite et fin", очень рекомендую.

PS: А "остохуевшие французы" - это та самая LICRA была. Страшные люди.

p_k@lj, dorogoj, ya zhe napisal:
takoj zakon byl, ego vozmozhno otmenili - ya ne znayu.

Zakon byl; ya khorosho pomnyu, kakoj haj on vyzval.
Kak i mnogoe vo Francii, on sushchestvoval tol'ko na
bumage (ili tol'ko v primenenii k Holocaust Revisionist-am).
Otmenili li ego? Interesno znat'.

Takie dela
Misha.

French To Outlaw Anonymous Web
Posting

By uk.internet.com staff

The French government plans to crack down on illegal
Web sites and cybercriminals by requiring anyone
posting content on the Internet to identify themselves.

During a second reading at the French Parliament of a
new law concerned with the freedom of communication,
a proposal was added which requires that an author of
content on the internet must provide identification
details to their ISP.

The proposal has angered the ISP industry who say that
the proposals are unclear and will risk alienating French
ISPs.

EuroISPA, the European association of the ISPs
associations of European Union countries, said the bill is
not specific enough, and while intended to control
website operators, could be extended to individuals in
chat rooms, bulletin boards and discussion groups.

Although ISPs are not required to police the new system,
there is nothing in the bill to prevent policing duties
being imposed on them. French citizens could risk six
months imprisonment and a 7000 euros (#4300) fine for
providing false identity information.

"As a law-abiding consumer, this law could push you to
use non-French hosting providers and chat rooms in order
to avoid both the possible bureaucracy of this system and
to avoid any possibility of coming under a jurisdiction
where incorrect registration could land you in prison for
six months," said Cormac Callanan, president of
EuroISPA.

Although the legislation is for French Internet users, a
spokesman for EuroISPA said the bill could have wider
implications for the rest of Europe. "The French have a
strong hard line on Internet issues in general. It's possible
that if and when the bill is introduced, the French may
put pressure on counterparts to implement similar
legislation."

In the UK, the government has been criticised for its
Regulation of Investigatory Powers Bill. Critics
have argued that the Bill will criminalise the use of computers, turn
ISPs into surveillance centres, violate the
presumption of innocence and harm UK ecommerce.

http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/6_328561

French Jews rap Nazi Web
site ruling

PARIS (Reuters) - A French court
has rejected a suit over a neo-Nazi Web site on a local
Internet service provider, two days after another court
ruled that Yahoo France had to block access to U.S.-based
sales of Nazi memorabilia.

The Jewish student group that brought the suit expressed
shock at the decision and complained the court had taken
no steps to bar the portal from hosting Nazi sites in future.

The Union of Jewish Students of France (UEJF) had asked
the court in Nanterre, near Paris, to order the Multimania
portal to tighten up its internal controls after a neo-Nazi
site opened on the system earlier this year.

The court accepted Multimania's explanation that it did
not knowingly incite racial hatred because it did not realise
the site "NSDAP" contained neo-Nazi material.

Multimania shut down the site when it learned that
"NSDAP" is the German acronym for Hitler's National
Socialist German Workers Party and then saw the site
contained Nazi propaganda.

UEJF President Ygal el Harrar said in a statement he was
"profoundly shocked and disappointed" by the ruling,
especially the court's finding that the acronym "NSDAP"
was a specialised term a normal citizen would not be
expected to know.

"If 50 years after the war, the name of the Nazi party
means nothing, what will it be like in another 50 years?" he
asked. "Has the march towards forgetting already started?"

The UEJF, which cosponsored the suit against Yahoo
France, said it would probably appeal the judgment.

Police said a youth living in northern France had been
traced as the originator of the site and might be charged
with inciting racial hatred.

A Paris court ruled on Monday that the French subsidiary
of Yahoo!Inc had to block access in France to U.S.-based
auction sites that were selling Nazi, neo-Nazi and Ku Klux
Klan objects such as films, swastikas, uniforms, daggers
and medals.

Yahoo France said the unprecedented ruling, which gave it
two months to comply, could set a dangerous precedent for
Internet users around the world.

The French Internet Service Providers Association
(AFA) said in a statement that "it is an illusion to want to
enjoin a foreign provider to deny access for French citizens
to material that is allowed in its country but actionable in
France."

"More importantly, such an injunction would create an
extremely dangerous precedent for French sites, a number
of which infringe on the political, religious or moral rules
of foreign countries, especially non-democratic ones," it
said.

Ne mogu nikak ponyat', chto proizoshlo s
ehtim zakonom. Vidimo, ego taki prinyali v NA, no ne ratificirovali.

Vot eshche

French Internet registration law advances

(Paris, France, May 24 2000) A proposed bill that would require that
the names of all who post material on the Internet be registered
with authorities continued to advance toward law in France.
Critics of the Liberty of Communication Act say it will be the
death of the Internet in France. Yesterday, the French National
Assembly agreed to the requirement that all public Internet
services, not just Web sites, make the names and addresses of
their editors public. Pseudonyms might be tolerated in the case
of non-professional Internet services, but even in these cases,
the hosting name and address would be disclosed. Disobeying
these rules could lead to as much as six months in jail and a
US$7,000 fine. (Associated Press)

http://www.dfn.org/news/news000521.htm#2407

Ya prinoshu izvineniya chistoserdechno!

Dejstvitel'no, zakon ne proshel verkhnyuyu palatu:

Critics say French Internet bill will trigger exodus
It's called the Liberty of Communication Act, but
critics say the French government-sponsored
legislation would instead encourage the Internet's
first mass emigration. By requiring that people who
publish on the Internet to register with authorities,
the bill could push French people to use Internet
companies in other nations, opponents said. The
legislation, passed by the House and being debated
in the Senate this week, would apply to anyone
hosting a Web page viewable by the public. It is
apparently without precedent in Europe and the
United States.

http://www.newsbits.net/2000/20000523.htm

A vot zdes' napisano, chto taki prinyali zakon.
Nifiga ne ponyatno.

Takie dela
Misha.


French Law Stifles Web Publishers (http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:J1xG2Fs1S74C:www.villagevoice.com/issues/0029/otis.shtml+Vive+le+Censeur!%0A+by+Ginger+Adams+Otis&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&inlang=ru)
Vive le Censeur!
by Ginger Adams Otis
July 19 - 25, 2000

France, long known as the birthplace of civil rights, passed
legislation late last month that could limit freedom of expression
online and turn Internet service providers into megacensors for the
government.

The inaptly titled Liberty of Communication Act
requires anyone who publishes on the Web to register with the
government. Individuals must include either their name and address
or the name of their service provider on all postings to discussion
groups, mailing lists, newsgroups, and home pages. In addition,
service providers must verify the names and addresses of clients and
follow court orders to delete content or kill sites. And if a third
party complains about postings that could be libelous or
threatening, providers bear the burden for "appropriate
diligences"a vaguely termed obligation widely interpreted to mean
investigating and removing the offending material.

Barry
Steinhardt, associate director for the American Civil Liberties
Union, says French Internet providers may shy away from hosting
sites outside the mainstream, for fear of being forced to police
controversial content. The legislation "really threatens freedom of
speech on the Internet in ways that would be totally unacceptable
for Americans," says Steinhardt. "It should give the French pause
as well."

In the rush toward globalization, legal precedents
established in one country often carry weight in another. France's
new law sets the table for restrictive legislation elsewhere, and
could result in the country censoring content that originates
outside its borders. "There is a very real danger here to
Americans," says Steinhardt.

The Liberty of Communication Act
started out innocuously enough as an attempt to codify the rights
and duties of French audiovisual companies. But after a nude photo
of model Estelle Halliday was posted without her permission last
year, the government began seeking a mechanism for hunting down
Internet wrongdoers. In February, Parliament tacked on a surprise
amendment that contained not only new regulations for people
writing online but stiff penalties for breaking the law. Violators
risked fines of up to 25,000 francs (about $3600) and up to three
months in jail. The French government justified the proposed policy
by saying that in an effort to control cybercrimes, citizens had to
be prepared to relinquish anonymity.

European Internet groups
were having none of that logic. One of France's leading advocates
for free cyberspeech, Imaginons un Réseau Internet Solidaire,
launched a petition drive against the amendment. Signed by the ACLU,
the French Green and Communist parties, and a cluster of
international organizations, the petition raised enough of a ruckus
that Parliament agreed to strike the fines and jail sentences from
the lawrendering the legislation essentially symbolic.

[...]

Миша, надо в Journal Officiel (http://www.adminet.com/jo/) смотреть, там будет точная информация. Я гляну, но попозже - сейчас времени нет совсем.