tiphareth: большое достижение

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	dna21m 2011-03-26 23:58 (ссылка)
	Ну, я хз как там у вас, но у нас Достоевский пейсал тупо когда попадал на лавэ в казино, безо всяких оргазмов. Худо-бедно, стал мировым классиком. Дюма опять же. (Ответить) (Уровень выше) (Ветвь дискуссии)

	freir 2011-03-27 00:19 (ссылка)
	просто достоевский оргазмировал через нехочу. истерик, хуле. (Ответить) (Уровень выше) (Ветвь дискуссии)

	tiphareth 2011-03-27 00:21 (ссылка)
	эпилептик, кстати припадок, многие говорят, по субъективным ощущениям неотличим от оргазма, то есть, да, оргазмировал (Ответить) (Уровень выше) (Ветвь дискуссии)

	freir 2011-03-27 00:22 (ссылка)
	фрейд утверждал, что все-таки истерик, емнип (Ответить) (Уровень выше) (Ветвь дискуссии)

tiphareth
2011-03-27 00:26 (ссылка)

Dostoyevsky suffered from epilepsy and his first seizure occurred when he was nine years old.[11] Epileptic seizures recurred sporadically throughout his life, and Dostoyevsky's experiences are thought[12] to have formed the basis for his description of Prince Myshkin's epilepsy in his novel The Idiot and that of Smerdyakov in The Brothers Karamazov, among others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dostoyevsky

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	freir 2011-03-27 00:25 (ссылка)
	http://www.vehi.net/dostoevsky/freid.html (Ответить) (Уровень выше) (Ветвь дискуссии)

	tiphareth 2011-03-27 00:29 (ссылка)
	эпилепсия, есличо, есть соматическое явление, не психическое истерией и неврозами вызываться (как думал Фрейд) она не может (Ответить) (Уровень выше) (Ветвь дискуссии)

freir
2011-03-27 03:17 (ссылка)

тем не менее местами анализ правдоподобный - в той как раз
части, где речь идет про склонность михалыча к азартным играм:

Когда его чувство вины было удовлетворено наказаниями, к которым
он сам себя приговорил, тогда исчезала затрудненность в работе, тогда
он позволял себе сделать несколько шагов на пути к успеху.

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tiphareth
2011-03-27 00:37 (ссылка)

там вообще смешная штука,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hystero-epilepsy

Hystero-epilepsy is an alleged disease "discovered" by 19th-century French neurologist Jean-Martin Charcot.[1] It is considered a famous example of iatrogenic artifact, or a disease created by doctors.

The disease was considered a combination of hysteria and epilepsy. Charcot housed his "hystero-epilepsy" patients in the same ward as patients with epilepsy, because both were considered "episodic" diseases. At the time, both hysteria and epilepsy were believed to be neuroses; and diseases caused by the conversion of psychological distress into physical distress. Symptoms included "convulsions, contortions, fainting, and transient impairment of consciousness."

такой болезни, которую Фрейд диагностировал у Достоевского, просто
нет, это шарлатанское изобретение, довольно скоро разоблаченное

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tiphareth
2011-03-27 00:40 (ссылка)

Прекрасно же
http://www.skepdic.com/hystero.html

hystero-epilepsy

An alleged disease discovered by Dr. Jean-Martin Charcot (1825-1893), one of the founders of modern neurology. Students came from all over the world to study under him in Paris, including Freud in 1885. Charcot used hypnosis as a diagnostic tool in his study of hysteria and influenced Freud's views on the origin of neurosis. Charcot made a number of important medical discoveries and even has a disease named after him (neurogenic arthropathy is also known as Charcot's joints).

At one point in his illustrious career, Charcot believed that he had discovered a new disease, which he called "hystero-epilepsy." The symptoms included "convulsions, contortions, fainting, and transient impairment of consciousness."* He showed his students several examples of this new disease during his rounds at Salpêtrière Hospital.

A skeptical student, Joseph Babinski, decided that Charcot had invented rather than discovered hystero-epilepsy. The patients had come to the hospital with vague complaints of distress and demoralization. Charcot had persuaded them that they were victims of hystero-epilepsy and should join the others under his care. Charcot's interest in their problems, the encouragement of attendants, and the example of others on the same ward prompted patients to accept Charcot's view of them and eventually to display the expected symptoms. These symptoms resembled epilepsy, Babinski believed, because of a municipal decision to house epileptic and hysterical patients together (both having "episodic" conditions). The hysterical patients, already vulnerable to suggestion and persuasion, were continually subjected to life on the ward and to Charcot's neuropsychiatric examinations. They began to imitate the epileptic attacks they repeatedly witnessed (McHugh).

Babinski convinced Charcot that hystero-epilepsy was not a disorder and that doctors can induce symptoms in their patients. They separated the "hystero-epileptic" patients from each other and from staff members who had treated them. The patients were moved to the general ward of the hospital. The doctors then treated the patients by ignoring their hysterical behavior and encouraging the patients to work on their recovery. "The symptoms then gradually withered from lack of nourishing attention (McHugh)."

The lesson of Charcot seems lost on many therapists today, in particular the trauma-search (repressed memory) therapists who assume even before meeting their patients that they have probably been sexually abused, repressed the traumatic abuse and will suffer until the memories of abuse are brought to the surface in therapy. These therapists have no difficulty in finding patients who respond to their diagnoses and treatment, even though there is growing evidence that many of the memories of abuse that they elicit are false memories.

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	freir 2011-03-27 01:29 (ссылка)
	забавно (Ответить) (Уровень выше)

	именно так chelovekolyub 2011-03-27 15:49 (ссылка)
	и нетленку кстати говоря, ваял именно во время приступов. (Ответить) (Уровень выше)

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