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Пишет Misha Verbitsky ([info]tiphareth)
@ 2016-01-20 01:33:00


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Настроение: sick
Музыка:Kazakhstan National Anthem
Entry tags:.ua, anti-russia, boloto

нацiональна iдея
Тоже хорошее
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eFTW_4183o
вот отсюда ссылка:
https://www.facebook.com/newapplecrysis/posts/1692960344251110
граждане украинцы очень озабочены тем, чтобы послать
нахуй сраную руссийскую диссиду, особенно учитывая,
что они таким образом помогают СБУ:
https://www.facebook.com/kattyfun/posts/576069932551154
(и там и там особо показательны комментарии).

Думаю, что это правильно. Что за ебаная "всемирная
отзывчивость"? за каким хуем вам, мученики за зимокарасию,
пострадавшие от ФСБ, лезть на Украину? Вас там не любят.
Жрать там нечего и будет нечего еще долго, а помогать
СБУ получится, только если вы сами такой же гебист.

Ну, года два назад был шанс, что на Украине все наладится,
а затем и в России устроится такой же Майдан. Может и год назад
тоже был. Но снова оказалось, что Украина это второе издание
России, труба пониже и дым пожиже, с таким же
агрессивно-послушным быдлом, надрачивающим на
кровавую гебню и репрессии, совиет-стайл. Ну типа -
немного получше, но в общем-то все то же самое,
православие, коррупция, кириллица, ментовский
беспредел.

Кazakhstan greatest country in the world.

All other countries are run by little girls.
Kazakhstan number one exporter of potassium.
Other countries have inferior potassium.

Kazakhstan home of Tinshein swimming pool.
It's length thirty meter and width six meter.
Filtration system a marvel to behold.
It remove 80 percent of human solid waste.

Kazakhstan, Kazakhstan you very nice place.
From Plains of Tarashek to northern fence of Jewtown.
Kazakhstan friend of all except Uzbekistan.
They very nosy people with bone in their brain.

Kazakhstan industry best in the world.
We invented toffee and trouser belt.
Kazakhstan's prostitutes cleanest in the region.
Except of course Turkmenistan's

Kazakhstan, Kazakhstan you very nice place.
From Plains of Tarashek to northern fence of Jewtown.
Come grasp the mighty penis of our leader.
From junction with the testes to tip of its face!

То есть если бы не война, были бы шансы, а сейчас нет.

Соответственно, на вопрос "вы хотите майдан в России?
чтобы было как на Украине?" следует ответствовать не
"на Украине заебись, а будет еще лучше" (не будет),
а "там такое же говно, как и тут, а виноват
плюгавый тиран путлер и кровавая гебня".



Забудьте вообще нахуй, что такая страна была - Украина.
Чем меньше вы "помогаете Украине", тем лучше, и для вас,
и для Украины. Украинцы сами разберутся, а для России
пример Украины ничего хорошего не дал и не даст.

Глупо надеяться на то, что из Майдана произойдет что-то
невообразимио прекрасное, отчего у ватных ублюдков немедленно
откроются глаза на хуйло. Не произойдет и не откроются. "Будет
ничего".
Ющенко, Янукович, Янукович, Ющенко. Спасибо
жителям Донбасса за президента-пидораса.

Хотя - украинцы движутся в правильном направлении.
Еще лет через 30-40, они, возможно, выпиздят россиян из органов,
а российскую ментальность из населения, забудут русский
язык, православие и кириллицу, и заживут как белые люди.
Ну, надеяться-то можно.

Привет



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[info]tiphareth
2016-01-20 18:41 (ссылка)
на украинском не размовляю, зато нашел на цивилизованном языке подробный анализ ситуации со ссылками

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ukraine/2016-01-07/euromaidan-dreams-deferred

Support for the government in Ukraine is at its lowest level in a decade as its citizens feel the squeeze of unpopular economic, social, and fiscal reforms. The nation’s economy is in the middle of a depression, and one of a few potential signs of progress—prosecutions against corrupt oligarchs and senior members of Yanukovych’s old regime—has not materialized. It appears that Poroshenko lacks the political will to pursue criminal charges against former allies who were responsible for bankrupting Ukraine through corruption, political repression, and the murder of his opponents.

Although Poroshenko’s ascendance to power was hoped to bring in an era of political transparency, he has not appeared to seek real changes to fundamental power dynamics between Ukrainian business leaders and politicians. Political power is still viewed as a money making operation to many within Kiev, as evidenced by Poroshenko’s failure to make good on his promise to sell personal business interests once he assumed power. Instead, Poroshenko kept his holdings, and was one of the only business leaders in the nation to increase his business assets in 2015, becoming the sixth-richest business executive in Ukraine. Both Poroshenko and parliamentary chief whip Ihor Kononenko have been implicated in a real estate scandal, and Koroneko faces damaging allegations of money laundering upwards of $300,000 from 2012 to 2015 through offshore tax.

Poroshenko has also shared business relationships with Ukraine’s last three presidents, stretching back to Leonid Kuchma in the 1990s. Borys Lozhkin, Poroshenko’s Chief of Staff, facilitated the sale of Poroshenko’s stake in Ukraine Media Holdings to Serhiy Kurchenko, a close associate of Yanukovych. His ties to Ukraine’s political and business elites are no secret, either. In 2000, Poroshenko became one of the founding members of the Party of Regions, which appointed former Ukraine Prime Minister Nikolai Azarov as party leader. Interpol is currently seeking Azarov and Kurchenko for corruption during Azarov’s term as prime minister from 2010–2014, and Kurchenko for being a major beneficiary from sweetheart deals with the Azarov government.

Now Ukraine’s public has lost faith in Poroshenko’s ability to lead. His past relationships and current business interests have prevented him from pursuing cases against his current and former allies, and will likely prevent him from serving a second term as well. Poroshenko’s appointees to the Security Service (SBU) have all but doomed ongoing investigations into accusations of murders and corruption that occurred during Yanukovych’s counter-protest efforts. In so doing, the president has all but given immunity against indictment to his closest allies.

A serviceman reacts during a commemoration ceremony at the site where anti-Yanukovich protesters were killed during clashes in Kiev, Ukraine, November 21, 2015. At the heart of the Orange and Euromaidan revolutions was a demand by average Ukrainians for justice and dignity. Two years after Yanukovych fleed to Russia and abandoned his position, the Ukrainian justice system is largely unchanged. Poroshenko is unwilling to dismantle Ukraine’s corrupt, oligarchic system that he helped build two decades ago, and is refusing to seek criminal charges against former allies and current business partners. Earlier this year, Ukrainian civil society groups, journalists, and lawyers representing Euromaidan protesters and families whose members were killed or injured released a lengthy report entitled “A Year of Impunity.” And since the release of the report, nothing has changed: not a single official from the Yanukovych era has been criminally convicted of any crimes during the former president’s reign.

Lowering expectations

The United States is far from alone in its skepticism toward Poroshenko and his political inner circle. International organizations and the Ukrainian public have little trust in the official claim that the government is investigating 274 instances in which law enforcement officials repressed or murdered protesters during the Euromaidan. Poroshenko’s government has made similar claims before: in August 2015, Poroshenko claimed that 2,702 Ukrainian officials were charged with corruption. Both lists have since been proved to be fictitious.

Additionally, Amnesty International has repeatedly attempted to shed light on Ukraine’s deeply ingrained culture of impunity towards police abuse, and the state’s seeming inability to investigate and prosecute police officers. At the root of this, however, is a deep structural inability to prosecute crimes related to high-level abuse of office and the Euromaidan crackdown, as well as no political will to do so at the presidential level. Ukraine’s ruling elites continue to defend each other using state institutions they control while continuing the opaque culture of close corrupt business ties to politicians.

Amnesty International is joined by the Council of Europe’s International Advisory Group and the UN Commission on Human Rights in condemning Ukraine’s lack of progress on postrevolutionary justice. These international groups have also chastised Kiev for the dragged-out investigations and incompetent policing and prosecutorial work involved in these cases. Amnesty International has said those responsible for human rights violations “continue to enjoy almost complete impunity for their actions.” The United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (UNHCR) described Ukraine’s approach to the rule of law as an “accountability vacuum.” The Council condemned the “widespread perception of impunity” held by law enforcement and the government’s “unwillingness or inability” to bring them to justice for murders committed during the Euromaidan protests, as well as deaths during the conflict between pro-Ukrainian and pro-Russian forces in Odessa in May 2015.

So as long as Poroshenko controls the positions in key state institutions that are constitutionally mandated to fight high-level corruption—the prosecutor-general, SBU chair, and National Security and Defence Council (NRBO) secretary—these pillars of justice will go unreformed and will continue to protect ruling elites, rather than the rule of law. Poroshenko emerged as an oligarch under a system where presidents dole out protection from the PGO and the SBU to friends and patrons; to expect these groups to change their focus toward protecting the people against corruption is an unlikely possibility. In the last 25 years of Ukrainian independence, the PGO has failed to successfully prosecute a single member of the country’s ruling elite. This abysmal track record will not change under Poroshenko.

Seeing is believing

On paper, Ukraine looks to be making progress in instituting the rule of law and rooting out corruption. This, however, is due to pressure from international organizations and Ukraine’s civil society rather than from presidential political will. There are some judicial reforms taking place, and a new national police force is beginning to replace the Soviet-era militsiya police force. Kiev has also installed a National Anti-Corruption Bureau as well as a new anticorruption prosecutor. Finally, a new asset recovery agency is being established to expropriate stolen assets from convicted high-ranking felons.

Despite these signs of progress, however, there are political, institutional, and implementation issues that will stand in the way of the radical political reforms that are required to satisfy the widespread public hunger for justice, dignity, and humanity. Ukrainian leaders still seek to micromanage and control law enforcement practices and officials prefer Ukraine’s old system of close, opaque ties between politics and business.

Although the term “selective use of justice” was originally used to Yanukovych’s jailing of opposition leader Yulia Tymoshenko, but the term continues to resonate in Poroshenko’s Ukraine. The PGO’s prosecutorial decisions continue to be decided by politicians, rather than the rule of law. Three Ukrainian politicians, Hennadiy Korban, Ihor Mosiychuk, and Yuriy Syrotyuk, all from pro-Western political parties, were publicly and aggressively arrested for falling out of favor with Poroshenko. Meanwhile, corruption investigations against pro-Russian politicians such as former Ukrainian Minister of Energy Yuriy Boyko, former Ukrainian parliamentarians Serhiy Kluyev and Yuriy Ivanyushchenko, and oligarch Rinat Akhmetov have been similarly stymied due to an immunity deal forged in 2014 between the latter three and the president.

At the helm of the PGO are two Poroshenko-appointed prosecutor generals, Vitaliy Yarema and Viktor Shokin. Both have been met with scathing criticism from Euromaidan activists and the Ukrainian branch of the anti-corruption watchdog group Transparency International for the lack of high-level criminal prosecutions coming from their office. Former United States Ambassador to Ukraine John Herbst has said, “It’s an absolute scandal that Mr. Shokin is the prosecutor general.” The current U.S. ambassador, Geoffrey R. Pyatt, has accused the PGO of undermining reforms, protecting corrupt prosecutors, and blocking criminal investigations. The United States, Pyatt has said, “needs honest partners who are committed to the rule of law.” Pyatt has called upon the PGO to abandon its Soviet legacy of political control that permits the powerful “to get away with influence peddling and human rights abuses.”

Even outside of the PGO, government officials have done little to aid those who suffered and died during the Euromaidan. The PGO has presented weak criminal cases to Interpol for Yanukovych, as well as his officials and the oligarchs he supported. In fact, some have even been removed from the international wanted list for their suspected involvement in Yanukovych-era crimes.

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[info]wasserstrahl
2016-01-20 19:22 (ссылка)
Ну Вы уж определитесь, 88 процентов или "support for the government in Ukraine is at its lowest level in a decade".

"On paper, Ukraine looks to be making progress in instituting the rule of law and rooting out corruption. This, however, is due to pressure from international organizations and Ukraine’s civil society rather than from presidential political will".

Дык, ёпт, хотелось бы, конечно, по-другому, но как бэ неудивительно, система изнутри переламывается с огромным трудом. Но --- именно по причине "pressure from international organizations and Ukraine’s civil society" (а если еще точнее --- from the leaders who want to integrate Ukraine into the modern western economic space) --- она будет сломана.

И да, очень плохо, когда столько пафосных заявлений, а потом "на украинском не размовляю".

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[info]tiphareth
2016-01-20 19:26 (ссылка)
>Вы уж определитесь, 88 процентов или
> "support for the government in Ukraine is at its lowest level in a
> decade".

так там все хуже на самом деле,
потому что support is at its lowest level,
а те, кто не за порошенко, те за регионалов
по результатам последних выборов очевидно
(победа путиноидов в Одессе, Харькове и
так далее)

>когда столько пафосных заявлений

за пафосом это куда-то еще
здесь могут в лучшем случае послать нахуй

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[info]wasserstrahl
2016-01-20 19:41 (ссылка)
"а те, кто не за порошенко, те за регионалов"
???

http://www.liga.net/infografica/257196_karta-rezultatov-mestnykh-vyborov-mery-oblsovety-i-gorsovety.htm

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[info]tiphareth
2016-01-20 19:50 (ссылка)
ну да, где не БПП, там
"доверяй делам",
"оппозиционный блок"
"відродження" (Кернес, Ехануров)
то есть все как я сказал: кто не за БПП, те за регионалов
шо та хуйня, шо эта хуйня

в общем, как после первого майдана у власти скоро оказался
янукович, так и после второго будет какой-то такой же мудацкий
совок и вор

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[info]wieiner_
2016-01-20 20:36 (ссылка)
однозначно, что к власти придет Оппозицийный Блок.
начнут блокировать реформы. МВФ свернет кредиты.

второй, такой радости, как Янык - врядли найдется.
и Порошенко, таки говорит по-аглицки и думает больше о политике,
а не о личных доходах. ну "закопал" Коломойского. Подождите он его еще "откопает". похудевшего, присмиревшего. без всего этого рафоса и глэмура.

все не навсегда.

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[info]wasserstrahl
2016-01-20 23:02 (ссылка)
Есть БПП, есть жопоблок, есть перекрашенные вчерашние рыги, есть "старая гвардия" вроде тимошенковских, есть вполне новые проекты разного происхождения вроде того же "укропа" и "самопомощи". Да, формально по каждому из них можно найти что-то неприятное и потом сесть с умным видом типа все пидарасы а я д’артаньян (но там где это можете сделать вы, нам еще на выборы ходить надо), но процесс трансформации полит.поля медленно, но верно идет. Причем, как показала практика, процент "новых лиц", которых через пару месяцев после прихода во власть начинают гонять хуями (см. к примеру тов. Парасюк), весьма высок --- ну чисто по объективным причинам. "Свобода" прошла в некоторых местах (кстати, тоже говно еще то, хоть и националисты типа) --- эти ребята круто подосрали себе рейтинги своим метанием гранат под зРадой [вы, конечно, опять назовете это проявлением любви к мусорам, но это уже ваши проблемы]. ПС на выборы не выдвигался, афаик. НФ тоже. Красножопые вышли из дискурса, частично пополнили списки "перекрашеных вчерашних".

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[info]tiphareth
2016-01-20 23:08 (ссылка)
укроп (корбан) уже сидит, есличо
а кернес не сидит
и то и другое возмутительно

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[info]wasserstrahl
2016-01-20 23:10 (ссылка)
Укроп много где прошел, кстати. Вот шо кернес не сидит -- это реальное дерьмо, да, за корбана --- та хз.

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