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	tiphareth 2023-11-03 22:56 (ссылка)
	так насирают же ссср по-новой как раз из 1973-го самое актуальное вообще-то (Ответить) (Уровень выше) (Ветвь дискуссии)

	(Анонимно) 2023-11-03 23:43 (ссылка)
	те скоро снова будем Бабеля проходить и песни Утесова с Высоцким петь. (Ответить) (Уровень выше)

kaledin
2023-11-04 00:01 (ссылка)

Особенно про хамас, ага.

Из двух вышеприведенных анонимом текстов, один это идиотский плюсквамперфект про то, как совок когда-то в 70-е породил палестинский терроризм, второй вообще какой-то дебильный высер румынского экс-генерала, про те же 70-е, и степени убедительности примерно как высеры резуна (причем с диким количеством идиотских фактических ошибок и вранья, видимых сходу даже мне). Ну охуенно, совок породил палестинский терроризм, арафат, жорж-хабаш, лейла-халед, вот это все. Кто же спорит. Хамас тут причем?

Ни при чем.

Хамас и фатх смертельные враги, если че.

Если кто желает утверждать, что путлер как-то материально помогает хамасу, пусть дает evidence, хоть какой. Потому что если это правда, то это пиздец бомба. И нефига в качестве бомбы пытаться продать воздушный шарик.

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tiphareth
2023-11-04 01:06 (ссылка)

https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2023/10/12/Russia-supplied-Hamas-with-infantry-arms-seized-in-Ukraine-Kyiv-defense-intelligence

Russians supplied the Palestinian militant group Hamas with infantry armaments that they seized in Ukraine, said Head of Defense Intelligence of Ukraine on Thursday.

“We know for sure that weapons captured from Ukraine were supplied by the Russians to the Hamas group. These were mainly infantry armaments,” Kyrylo Budanov said as cited by Ukrainian newspaper Ukrayinska Pravda.

He added: “There is some information that something was sent to Hezbollah but at the moment, we don’t know for sure.”

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The Ukrainian official also stated that Russians have taught Hamas militants how to use FPV-drones against armored equipment. “No one but the people who have had the experience of our theatre of war could have done this. Since we were not here, it must have been the Russians.”

Hamas launched on Saturday an unprecedented surprise attack on Israel, breaching the blockade from the Gaza strip supported by a barrage of rockets. Israel responded with a barrage of airstrikes on Gaza after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu declared a state of war with Hamas. This war resulted in scores of dead and injured.

Budanov addressed whether Ukraine could be impacted by the Israel-Hamas conflict. He said: “If the conflict is limited in time up to a few weeks then there is nothing to worry about. But if the situation drags on, then there will definitely be some problems as Ukraine will not be the only state to need armament and ammunition supplies.”

On Tuesday, Ukraine’s defense intelligence reported that Russia provided Hamas with US and EU manufactured “trophy weapons” that they captured during the war on Ukraine, to discredit Kyiv and impact its ties with Western allies.

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2023-11-05 15:47 (ссылка)

Вы хотите сказать, что украинская армия бросает на поле боя в товарных количествах новенькое американское оружие в смазочке и заводской упаковке? Не пора ли снимать с довольствия этих трусов, а то у Хамас появятся абоамсы и ф-16, того и гляди!

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tiphareth
2023-11-04 01:08 (ссылка)

https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2023/10/12/Russia-supplied-Hamas-with-infantry-arms-seized-in-Ukraine-Kyiv-defense-intelligence

Ukrainian intelligence accused Russia of a plot to place "trophy" Western weapons seized from battlefields in Ukraine with the Hamas militant group to undermine international support for Kyiv, according to a report.

On Saturday, Hamas militants attacked Israeli border defenses and killed thousands in towns and military bases near the Gaza border in the he worst breach in Israel's defenses for decades.

The attacks were seized upon by the Kremlin to launch a disinformation campaign, according to Ukrainska Pravda.

"The aggressor state, Russia, is using the attack by Hamas terrorists on the state of Israel for a large-scale provocation against Ukraine," the Ukrainian military intelligence said, according to the report.

"Defence Intelligence of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine is aware that Russian intelligence has already delivered trophy weapons manufactured in the US and EU and captured during the hostilities in Ukraine to Hamas militants.

"The next step in the Russians' plan should be false accusations against the Ukrainian military of allegedly selling Western weapons to terrorists on a regular basis."

Shortly after the statement Dmitry Medvedev, Russia's former president, sought to draw the connection between Ukraine and Hamas that Kyiv had warned about.

—Giorgi Revishvili (@revishvilig) October 9, 2023

"The weapons handed over to the neo-Nazi regime in Ukraine are being actively used in Israel," Medvedev wrote on Telegram.

"Later on, like the weapons left behind by the fugitive Americans in Afghanistan, they will be used uncontrollably in all hot spots," it said.

An anchor on Russian state media outlet RT's Arabic channel repeatedly sought to question an Israel Defense Forces spokesman about the allegations Ukraine supplied Western weapons to Hamas in an interview Monday, claims the official rejected as "fabrications and lies."

Russia has sought to blame the conflict between Israel and Hamas on the West and portray itself as a moderating force in the region.

But Kremlin propagandists have also celebrated the outbreak of violence between Israel and Hamas, claiming that it will distract the US and its allies from Ukraine, where they have provided billions in aid to help battle the Russian invasion.

Zelenskyy has likened the Hamas attack on Israel to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Russia has long had close relations with Iran, Hamas' main backer, in what analysts say is part of a strategy to challenge US influence in the Middle East.

Russian officials have repeatedly met with the leaders of Hamas, which it does not designate as a terror group, in an apparent bid to influence negotiations between Palestinians and Israel.

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tiphareth
2023-11-04 01:15 (ссылка)

https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/90841

Why Russia and Hamas Are Growing Closer
Moscow’s relationship with the militant group Hamas is part of a Middle East strategy meant to boost its standing in the Global South: an effort that has long involved building ties with both Israel and its sworn enemies.

The Kremlin purports to take a hard stance on terrorism. Yet since the massacre in southern Israel carried out by Hamas militants on October 7, it has only grown closer to the group.

Despite the killing of 16 Russian nationals, and even as Muscovites laid flowers at the Israeli embassy, the Kremlin declined to condemn Hamas’s actions, expressing only “grave concerns.” Some might see its overtures toward the group as an attempt to sow chaos. In fact, Moscow’s goal is to cement its status as a friend of the Global South.

The Kremlin’s relationship with terrorism has a complicated history. The Second Chechen War—a defining episode for President Vladimir Putin early in his rule—was justified as a response to the threat of Islamist terrorism. Not long after, Russia reacted to the 9/11 attacks by lending its support to the United States and backing the invasion of Afghanistan, to the extent that it even countenanced the deployment of U.S. troops to Central Asia. Later, in 2015, Moscow linked its intervention in Syria to the struggle against terrorism.

In Syria, Russia claimed to be targeting “thousands” of ISIS militants from Russia and the rest of the former Soviet Union, to which it feared they would spread their ideology if unchecked. And, of course, the Kremlin has not shied away from labeling its political opponents terrorists, from supporters of the jailed opposition leader Alexei Navalny to Ukrainian activists and Crimean Tatar dissidents.

All the while, where advantageous to its interests, the Kremlin has happily ignored or even worked with organizations labeled as terrorist, such as in Afghanistan, where the Taliban now shares a cordial rapport with Moscow.

In the case of Hamas, Moscow has long cozied up to the group, declining to designate it as a terrorist organization as many other countries have done, even after the October 7 attacks, and making clear that it is loath to sever contact with Hamas.

In doing so, Russia provides Hamas with what terrorists most covet: the legitimating effect of recognition. In 2006, following the group’s historic victory over Fatah in legislative elections, Putin was among the first world leaders to congratulate it.

A year later, Putin hosted Hamas’s then leader, Khaled Mashal, in Moscow, receiving praise from Mashal for his “courage and manliness.” Putin was thanked again by Hamas after the October 7 attacks, this time for his “position regarding the ongoing Zionist aggression against our people.”

While allegations that Russia transferred weapons to Hamas remain unproven, Russia has at the very least facilitated material support for the group: on the eve of the attacks, Hamas received millions of dollars through a Moscow-based crypto exchange.

The rapprochement with Hamas is consistent with a historical pattern. During the Cold War, Moscow armed and otherwise supported Palestinian militants, including those engaged in terrorism, continuing to do so even at the height of détente.

Hamas bears little resemblance to the left-wing Palestinian nationalists with whom the Soviets did business. It was with the more secular Fatah that Hamas fought a civil war in the mid-2000s, and this month, it was an ISIS flag rather than a red banner that the Israel Defense Forces claimed to have found in a kibbutz attacked by Hamas.

Even so, Moscow’s support for Palestinian militancy remains driven by the same motivation: the desire to boost its standing in the Global South. Russia is seizing an opportunity to bolster its claim to be challenging what Putin calls “the ugly neocolonial system of international relations.” Hence the Kremlin’s half-hearted response to the attacks and continued willingness to engage Hamas, and more broadly its outreach to Palestinians in both Gaza and the West Bank, whose capitals have a Kalinka Russian cultural center and a Putin Center, respectively.

Similarly, Russia’s self-presentation as a peacemaker should be considered in the context of status-seeking behavior. Its message for the Middle East is that U.S. domination of the region has produced disastrous results, not least the war between Israel and Hamas itself, and that Russia would be a much better mediator and diplomatic partner than any of the Western powers.

In his first comments after the outbreak of war between Israel and Hamas, made in a meeting with the Iraqi prime minister, Putin pointed to the conflict as a “vivid example of the failure of the United States’ policy in the Middle East.” Meanwhile, in a meeting with the Arab League’s secretary general, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov condemned Washington’s “destructive policy” on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Russia, then, is surgically targeting Middle East leaders with its messaging on the war. Yet neither this diplomatic offensive nor its support for Hamas is meant to destabilize the region.

Moscow’s approach to terrorism may be instrumental, but its fear of the spread of terrorism from the Middle East is real. Russia has repeatedly been targeted by terrorists over the years and has something to lose from chaos, even in the Middle East.

In Russian, the Middle East is known as the Near East (Blizhny Vostok), testament that in Russian minds, it is not so distant a region. Whatever happens in the Middle East, it is thought in Moscow, is likely to spill over into Russia.

Moscow’s lack of appetite for chaos was evident in its measured response to the Arab Spring, during which Russia unequivocally opposed the instability associated with regime change.

It is also worth remembering that Russia has spent the past two decades building ties with Israel, striving to stay on good terms even as it has also engaged the country’s sworn enemies in Tehran, Damascus, and Gaza.

Amid the international isolation of Russia following its invasion of Ukraine, Israel has notably refrained from sanctioning Moscow or arming Kyiv. Given this, the Kremlin will be keen to avoid alienating Israel, much less breaking off relations between the two countries.

As such, while Russia may grow closer still to Hamas in symbolic ways, there is little reason to expect it to increase its material assistance to the group—of which there is little evidence as it is. Most likely, these overtures will remain at the level of rhetoric.

The reality is that, for Moscow, the crisis in the Middle East is an opportunity to pitch itself to the region and the wider Global South as a diplomatic partner: a pitch that would gain nothing from the creation of further chaos in a part of the world the Kremlin regards as strategically important and to which it believes itself to be highly exposed.
By:

Milàn Czerny
Dan Storyev

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tiphareth
2023-11-04 02:25 (ссылка)

https://www.world-today-news.com/russia-sympathizes-with-hamas-offers-help-in-producing-weapons/

Russia Sympathizes with Hamas: Offers Help in Producing Weapons

Russia sympathizes with Hamas and has offered to help produce weapons, a spokesman for the group said.

The head of Hamas’s foreign relations committee, Ali Baraka, let slip about help from Russia. He spoke about the Russian Federation’s proposal to establish the production of Kalashnikov assault rifles with an official Russian license in Palestine.

A Hamas representative said this in an interview with Russian media, reports Telegram channel “Ukraine 365”.

In addition, he said that the Russians are sending Hamas messages in which they rejoice in the militants’ attacks on Israel, hoping that this will distract the United States from helping Ukraine.

Hamas had been secretly preparing for two years to attack Israel and notified other Palestinian factions, Hezbollah, allies in Iran, Turkey and Russia after the invasion began, Baraka said. He called Iran Hamas’s main ally, which provides the militants with money and weapons.

“There is also Hezbollah, Arab and Islamic peoples. There are countries that support us politically. Even Russia sympathizes with us.”said a Hamas spokesman.

Earlier, military blogger and former Israeli army officer Yigal Levin reported that the Russian Aerospace Forces are training Syrian special forces, which are an enemy of Israel. Syrian special forces act as instructors for Hezbollah militants and may engage in direct combat against the Israeli state if the war becomes large-scale with third parties joining it.

In turn, political scientist Sergei Sumlenny expressed confidence that Russia trained Hamas militants to use drones against Israeli tanks. Thus, he commented on footage of Palestinian militants attacking Israeli military equipment using drones.

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	kaledin 2023-11-04 03:40 (ссылка)
	>A Hamas representative said this in an interview with Russian media, reports Telegram channel “Ukraine 365” Угу. Украина 365. Украинцы подобные заявления делают постоянно, но беда в том, что никаких подтверждений тому нет. (Ответить) (Уровень выше) (Ветвь дискуссии)

	(Анонимно) 2023-11-04 14:39 (ссылка)
	когда будут подверждения, будет поздно. см напр атаку на израиль 7 октября. (Ответить) (Уровень выше)

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