yanis: there we go again

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	kaledin 2008-08-09 00:27 (ссылка)
	>It is very much like USSR vs. Finland in 1938. Disgusting Ne, nu ehto hujnya, dorogoj, pri vsej moej nelyubvi k. Nechto finny kogo-to rezali? Konechno, s ehtikh ublyudkov stanetsya pojti dal'she na Tbilisi... (Ответить) (Ветвь дискуссии)

	yanis 2008-08-09 00:45 (ссылка)
	i think marching to Tbilisi may not be that easy. who cut who anyway? (Ответить) (Уровень выше) (Ветвь дискуссии)

kaledin
2008-08-09 01:19 (ссылка)

>i think marching to Tbilisi may not be that easy.

Neither was marching to Helsinki, for that matter. The point is *not to do it*.

Did ever read anything on the history of this mess? what Gamsahurdia did in 1991 -- and what they continued in 1992 -- this was really bordering on genocide. I mean, in the modern sense of the word (shelling a civilian city for several months with supplies cut off, bombing a refugee convoy, that sort of thing).

And in any case, this crap about "aggression against independent Georgia" is totally ridiculous. The territory in question never was a part of independent Georgia, was it?

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yanis
2008-08-09 01:52 (ссылка)

who gives a shit about the history, really? i mean georgia, ossetia - some ethnic shit. like all these patriotic people in cyrillic LJ give a fuck about ossetian civilians.
it's just this flabby amorphous toad of a country with its "foreign policy" ...
the whole thing looks like it has been rehearsed and planned. in order for the russian military to have 150 combat ready armored units in one place a month of planning is neeed. i think it's something to do with domestic politics (or lack of it) ...
plus the soccer cup is over and the populace is thirsty for more excitement

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syarzhuk
2008-08-09 16:20 (ссылка)

a month of planning is neeed
Russian military jets flew into Georgian airspace through South Ossetia on July 9, 2008 and then returned to Russia. The next day, the Russian authorities confirmed the flight and said, in an official statement, that the fighters were sent to prevent Georgia from launching an operation to free the four soldiers detained by South Ossetia.[22] In response, Georgia recalled its ambassador to Moscow "for consultations", stating that it was "outraged by Russia's aggressive policies."[23]

The incident coincided with the visit of the U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to Tbilisi where she pledged the U.S. support for Georgia's bid to join NATO.

Also:
On July 14, 2008 Georgia's deputy defense minister Batu Kutelia said Georgia plans to expand its military more than 15 percent to 37,000 soldiers following events in Abkhazia and South Ossetia. The additional manpower would be used to defend Georgia's airspace and the Black Sea coast.[29] On July 15, 2008 the U.S. and Russia both began exercises in the Caucasus though Russia denies the timing was intentional.[30] The Russian exercises included training to support peacekeepers in Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Georgia claimed the exercises were a manifestation of Russian aggression against it.[31] Also on July 15, Abkhazia and South Ossetia were said to be planning to join the Union of Russia and Belarus, a spokesman for the Union said both regions have talked about joining the Union, but that they would need to be recognized as independent and become observers before they could join the Union as members.

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kaledin
2008-08-09 20:07 (ссылка)

>like all these patriotic people in cyrillic LJ give a fuck about ossetian civilians.

They are idiots.

>to have 150 combat ready armored units in one place a month of planning is neeed.

Not really; this army is permanently stationed in North Ossetia. And in any case, there was ample warning -- the mess has been brewing for a couple of months.

>i think it's something to do with domestic politics

Probably. But it's Georgian domestic politics, not Russian. It looks like it was them who chose the exact time. It also looks like they (he) miscalculated. He doesn't understand Russia, he probably didn't expect such a drastic reaction. Which is really stupid, because the only thing Putin knows how to do is to react drastically (think Beslan).

The funny thing is, probably the only permanent solution is to give up S. Ossetia (which is undefendable, and has a very small population anyway, and modern Georgia is unlikely to really start ethnic cleansing) and to have Georgia give up Abkhazia in return (which really is a fully independent country with defensible borders and a responsible government). But this is the least likely thing to happen.

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	malaya_zemlya 2008-08-12 02:53 (ссылка)
	Есть заслуживающая доверия инфа, что российский спецназ начали мобилизовывать уже после начала конфликта. Сталбыть, не ожидали. (Ответить) (Уровень выше) (Ветвь дискуссии)

	how can you have this info? yanis 2008-08-12 03:09 (ссылка)
	there's absolutely no way you can be privileged to this kind of information. regardless of who gave it to you. there also may be mlutiple explanations of why a particular special forces unit got mobilizedd at a specific time (Ответить) (Уровень выше)

	(Анонимно) 2008-08-09 00:45 (ссылка)
	1. 1939 год, а не 1938. 2. ==Nechto finny kogo-to rezali?== Очень много кого резали, очень много. Мечты о великой Финляндии, знаете ли. (Ответить) (Ветвь дискуссии)

	(Анонимно) 2008-08-09 16:47 (ссылка)
	Финны тогда победили (Ответить) (Уровень выше)