> была гарантирована приемлемая в некторорм смысле нижняя грань

это пистёшь, мяхко говоря :)

Не-е-е.. Это "размышляя над формулой".

политулохическая аксиоматика :)

Как говорил мой одногруппник-двоешник, ныне прикремлевский олегарх и еврейский авторитет Слава Кантор: "Плохому предела нет!"

в социуме, выросшем из всеобщего рабства, единственным гарантом социального контракта может быть монархия.
Евреи, при всей их изворотливости, к политике непригодны, из-за беспринципности; все их собственные государства всегда были химерами.
Все государства, где они захватывали власть (Египет, Персия, Россия) терпели крах.
Для политики нужны вера и принципы.

Гуманистическая вера и гуманистические принципы в нектором достаточно фундаментальном смысле могут быть сформулированы как коммунистическая вера и коммунистические принципы: свобода, равенство, братство, свободное развитие каждого есть условие свободного развития всех... и пр.
Впрочем, ничего не имею против хорошо просвещенной монархии. Это будет ЦК одном лице.

ты путаешь абстракно-заборные лозунги с социальной практикой, учитывающей психологию человека и его групп-стад.
Реаль-изьм это не лозунги, а окукленая внутреннея "партия нового типа", построенная на "дем. централизьме" плюс "диктатура пролетарьята", основанная на ЧК.
Это значит - полное отсутствие соц. динамики начиная со второго поколения правителей, застой и море крови, из-за массового террора.

Дык, похоже, социальную практику придется отличать от принципов: к примеру, Евангелие от Инквизиции и Кр. Походов...

и инквизиция и крестовые походы принесли объективную пользу.
иначе бы они так долго не просуществовали.
либерасты понаделали из них модных жупелов, не понимая их пользы
:)
об элите:
http://zhurnal.lib.ru/h/hodow_a/bbb.shtml

Ну, тогда и у нас совершенно объективно: поголовно-уголовная грамотность, атомная энергетика, в войне победили, культ осудили, в космос полетели, Енисей перекрыли. А еще Балет с Кинематографом.
А ваши протестант-християне очень прогремели насчет "Гот мит Унс" - всем мировым сообществом пришлось упираться... Я, конечно понимаю, что нацизм - тоже пропагандистский жупел, в определенном смысле...

нацизм - ответ на ужасы жыдо-большэвизьма.
как ланцет - на рак.
никакого нацизьма бы не было, кабы не жыды
:)

Кстати... Возможно и Пёрл Харбора и всякой там бирмы-филиппин бы не было, кабы не англо-американьские жыды?... Так? А ВОСР бы не было, если бы не жиды с Антанты...

> кабы не англо-американьские жыды?...

верно, и они жэ финансировали и жыдо-большаков до немцев и Тгоцкова, который не с Антанты метнулся в Питер, а с Нюёрка
:)

As the history shows, socialism in its still lame form is perfect in protecting such bastard leaders – there are no tools to change them since the principal politic rules were created by them for themselves.

Capitalism bastard leaders are much more under control with a lot of available tools to remove them. One significant mistake costs the life carrier. No way to hide it. Sooner or later the scandal erupts.

But…is there any utility in comparison of those two bastard abnormalities?
None is better.

Both are an enormous moral and social harm for individual lives. And each individual life – not any system- should be the principal value of today’s world.

There is no better motivation killer then guaranteed minimum social level for nothing. Avalanche increase of social pathologies – guaranteed.

Guarantee on the poverty level is only a shame – not an advantage of today quasi-socialism... Guarantee for all in need –possible for healthy economies only

Not exactly... Hitler+Tokio+Europe under Hitler appeared and acted under capitalism, was democratically elected, and the means to correct this were not only parlamentarian...
Again I recollect the words of Mark Provinsal... His most vivid and happy experience was acting in the ranks of the "Desert Storm" - a just and victorious action. And I think that the fact of guaranteed munitions and provisions didn't 'demotivate' him and the Schwartzcopf troops... On the contrary, the necessity to find your own gun and uniform and food leads to robbery and marauding.
And... Now in Russia we've got very little guarantees and as a result -ruined industry. This kind "motivation" doesn't work with people - its better for brutes, I personally just can't imagine mixing with some stupid crowd struggling for "success"... Socialism was spiritual and intelligent system of "common noble cause", new Russian capitalism is primitive and repulsing system of atomized zoological living.

Ruined industry is the result of very little guarantees?

New Russian system can't be called capitalism - it is socialism mutation, the simple result of quasi-socialism weakness,the blind desert from socialism to nothingness.

Each system should be at first effective.Good effects activate good manners.The philosophy of the system stands two steps behind.

The system built at first on the philosophy - even the most inteligent one - leads to the catastrophe.

In this field the first should be mathematics , the second sociology and only the third philosophy.

H-m-m... Marx used to think that socialism is the escape from ineffectiveness of the stochastic "competition" (undermined by imperialist monopolies) to the mathematical effectiveness of the scientifically and democratically planned society. From the rule of greed to the realm of wit and humanity.

By the way, who's that? Is that you, dear AG?

And I think, that every state is first of all a system of ideocracy, power of ideology personified in law. In capitalist paradygm the state is not supposed to interfere with economy. In socialist paradygm the state as an instrument of political power was supposed to "die out" leaving economy to social self-organization.

War rules are cruel just as the war itself. They don’t fit to peace rules at all. Can you imagine any soldier without gun, uniform and food delivered by the army?

Hitler ,Stalin and the others multiple mass murderers has the specific ,brains paralyzing , power over his nation, power which unfortunately survives and still poisons quite many young brains. Nobody wanted to remove them in their times – irrespective of possibilities. Those monsters must had accumulated in themselves the cruelty of all universe !!!!

Socialist scientifically and democratically planning should have reached the result a long time ago. Nobody can’t wait ages for the better life . Since there is still a catastrophe , not a success , let us not to continue this road to nowhere in the name of ideas. Don’t we have a survival instinct ??

The main target for politic leaders (the system doesn’t matter) should be to create conditions for the economy to develop itself. The main target for economic leaders should be to create conditions for the people to develop themselves. Each of us should work for himself/his family – it is the target for the leaders to take advantage of this personal development for the region/country development.

There is a huge amount of Russian people able to work. This is the biggest potential of the country. But ….wasted, due to the sick economy. There are still ( how long?) possibilities to gain money easier and quicker. Radical reforms – what for? To expose the hidden secret – the real size of the catastrophe?

ОК... But still, as soon as the problem of Russia is the rule of scoundrels and the obvious situation of emergency, the historical chance is left shift. The left shift as a means of forced general measures in law-enforcement and economy buildup. The anti-BOLSHEVIK introduction of liberalism was BOLSHEVIK in its nature with "negative" sign. The cure should be similar.
And... Stalin was the person under whom Hitler was defeated and Russia was modernized. The personal cruelty of Stalin is doubtful the further - the more. And - it was condemned by the CPSU 20th Congress. How many times and how long we should duplicate the SPSU decisions, be the Communist tailings?
And I'm not sure that mechanical "work for youself - unlimited" can dramatically contribute to the society. The same doubt had Jesus Christ as he preached to love and treat another as youself. If Christianity is the European ideal, then only Socialism fits it. Christian morality is a collective harmony within Socialism and it is a merely means to COUNTER greed and individualism under capitalism.

Your thinking is very clever and very brilliant, but please remember that so high level of personal value as yours is not a standard – only few percent of population want to see more than the tip of his own nose. That is why the economy model should base on the benefits for the smallest social unit. All of us should work for the society – not only those ,who understand what for.

The problem, you’ve touched is the quality of personal psyche interior. In general only some of us can THINK (!!). Those will have the additional motivation (or maybe the principal one) knowing that his work is mainly for the society and country development. Those can also organize the social help or be a leader of any other noble actions. Those can be the main force of the development. But why does the existing system force them to work instead and for those who - being in good health - prefer the laziness, alcoholism, debauchery or thievery ?

Our personal opinions about any controversial subject and person as Soviet success in Great Patriotic War, Stalin and many others are always subject to the availability of information, the authenticity of this information, the diversity of sources of information, skills of synthesis and rejection of extremes. Unfortunately the historical FACTS are still not the same for all. That is why Stalin may still be viewed by different persons as a cruel murderer or as a great savior of the country.

the Holy Gospel teaches: He who doesn't work - doesn't eat. The BOLSHEVIKS tried to bring the principle into life by anti-parasitism laws and a system of GULag... "Arbeit macht frei"... It's a scandal, but it's true even in America.