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Пишет Misha Verbitsky ([info]tiphareth)
@ 2021-05-16 22:53:00


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2021-07-12 00:31 (ссылка)
You are a fucking intruder in their country. They are not interested in allowing anyone in. They don't owe you anything. You, knowing full well that you lack legitimate grounds for receiving asylum, imposed yourself onto them, which basically amounted of you robbing them of thousands of euros spent on your asylum processing and lawyer fees, and your housing.

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[info]nashgold
2021-07-12 01:20 (ссылка)
I'm being persecuted by Russians for my racism.
And racism is the highest virtue of individualism,
so I'm being persecute for being a good person.
Therefore I have all ground for the political protection against the Russian subhumans.

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2021-07-12 02:23 (ссылка)
>Therefore I have all ground for the political protection

You knew that only you would ever think that. So it has been a premeditated stealing from the Dutch.

>And racism is the highest virtue of individualism,

Individualism presupposes individual focused norms, i.e. individual justice, not group justice. A group can't be responsible for the deeds of an individual and vice versa an individual can't be responsible for the deeds of his group's members, regardless of the way in which the group has been assigned to them, subjectively by observers, or through self-identification. That's the foundation. Hence racism is anti-individualist. It's been said to you many times that you are not an adherent of individualism but of tribalism. But evidently your cognitive dissonance resolution mechanisms are severely damaged so you are none the wiser.

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[info]nashgold
2021-07-12 13:31 (ссылка)
>You knew that only you would ever think that. So it has been a premeditated stealing from the Dutch.
All sane people accepts racism in one form or another.

>Individualism presupposes individual focused norms, i.e. individual justice, not group justice.
No. Individualism presupposes going against all group norms - i.e. a total war against the abstract force of communism, which attempts to force you to march in step with the subhumans, you actually have nothing in common with. Christianity, Islam, Nationalism - all forms of Communism.

>A group can't be responsible for the deeds of an individual and vice versa an individual can't be responsible for the deeds of his group's members
It can. Once you identify yourself with said group, you are responsible for it. And that group is responsible for you, since it has accepted you as a member. So yes, your place is in the mass grave, Russian scum.

>Hence racism is anti-individualist.
Racism is a form of individualism, where the individual rejects that he has something in common with the niggers, and insist going his own way. So say MGTOW is racist, since the ideology rejects that men and women have common interest and can be represented by a shared government. Accepting others as equal to you is anti-individualist. Individualists always look into what distances them from others and makes them better than others.

>It's been said to you many times that you are not an adherent of individualism but of tribalism.
No. Tribalism is identifying as a russian or a nigger. And calling to kill all Russians is called racism. One don't have to have his own group to hate a group.

>But evidently your cognitive dissonance resolution mechanisms are severely damaged so you are none the wiser.
Stay mad, leftist critter.

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Sadkov goes his own way
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2021-07-12 18:20 (ссылка)
>Individualism presupposes going against all group norms

Yup. Especially against individualist group norms I suppose, since it would be a group norm once there is a second member. If there is ever another believer in "Sadkov's individualism", don't forget to immediately kill him, since evidently killing is the only way to "go against something" in "Sadkov's individualism".

>Accepting others as equal to you is anti-individualist. Individualists always look into what distances them from others and makes them better than others.

Would be hilarious to read your thoughts about the inner workings of such a "society". Please explain this to us. How do "individualists" (which is a group by the way) resolve conflicts among themselves, such as contract violation or any other tort, considering they all believe they are better than others? Who enforces the order or guarantees property rights? How do "individualists" protect themselves from non-"individualist" organized groups without a "communistic" command hierarchy and taxes? Or maybe individualists live as hermits, isolating themselves from others, falling prey to non-"individualists" one by one? Who knows...

>It can. Once you identify yourself with said group, you are responsible for it.

You are imposing your tribalist ethics on others. By your inane logic, if some schmuck says he's a believer in Sadkov's individualism, goes and offends some Chechens or black gang members, then you are responsible for his actions by your own belief, and Chechens have a right to whoop your ass. And don't tell me that common belief in Sadkov's "individualism" doesn't make you a group. If it were so, most religions, especially unorganized ones, wouldn't be groups.

There are myriads of ways people could be grouped, such as "bipedal humanoids with hairy chests", "employees of some company", "men with female like tities" etc etc. Some are self-recognized and some are not. You are also responsible for all the female-titied male programmers in the world, since are a self-acknowledged female-titied male programmer.

In essence your ideology implies "going against all groups", going against the whole world, because everyone is a member of a group.

Would you ask Russians if they believe they are Russian or not, before committing your planned acts of violence? You won't, because you are lying. You don't care about self-identification one bit. You hate Russians regardless of what they think about themselves, and you hated them before you've invented this ideology. Don't tell me you'd stop hating Russians if they all said they are no longer Russians and have nothing to do with each other. Racism has always been an essentialist ideology. It's about grouping people by their ancestry, actual or not, and assigning that group inherent characteristics, like stupid, ugly, or evil.

You've demonstrated hate towards n-th generation immigrant Russians, i.e. people with Russian sounding names, without ever asking them if they completely reassessed their self-identification or not (many have). And you definitely don't care about the distinction between the implied group membership through ancestry, and group membership through belief in the political identity. I don't believe in Russian political identity as Putin has formed it, but you hate me nevertheless.

For most people group membership is a fact, not a belief or a choice. Most think they or others are Russian or American simply because they were born on a certain territory or to certain parents. That's the informal convention. A Chinese person can't believe he's not of Chinese descent, when he was born to Chinese parents, unless they are insane like yourself.

Most Africans you ever had contact with don't even identify as black people, the same way Russians don't identify as white(unless they are into image boards). That's primarily an American concept. They identify first and foremost as their African ethnicities. But you identify them as "niggers" without asking them.

Similarly there are many Russian citizens who are not ethnic Russians. Many Finno-ugric peoples (Veps, Komi, Karelians, Mordvins, Mari, Udmurts) are victims of russification and colonialism, something that is now called ethnocide. They don't necessarily believe they have anything in common with each other, but they are grouped by others through their language group and their genetic ancestry. Nor do they believe they are ethnic Russians. And yet you generalize them as "Finno-Ugric mongoloids", together with ethnic Russians for some reason, and hate them, even though you've never had any contact with them. All without caring about their self-identification.

Just shows that you don't care about any consent of someone you've grouped, or any actual data about self-identification. You are the ultimate judge and the arbiter on who's what. So it's just plain old racism without any veneer of being a political belief system once you strip the lies.

>And that group is responsible for you, since it has accepted you as a member.

Group acceptance is even more nebulous concept than self-identification. "Niggers" for example don't have any democratic polling body that could determine the level of acceptance. And we all know you couldn't care less about what "niggers" think about their membership in the group "niggers".

Anyway, "group responsibility" is not how individualism has ever been defined. You are just using commonly understood words with your own insane definitions. Do you by chance believe that using your own incomprehensible to others language is also a virtue of individualism?

The entirety of your ideology is incoherent lies and obfuscation, trying to build an ideological facade for your hate towards Russians (and black people, to feel more western), like the big boys had done before, only much more intelligently.

>So say MGTOW is racist

Not only has the moron defined his own individualism, which is in reality more akin to psychopathic tribalism for serial killers, but has also redefined "racist" as having nothing to do with race or ancestry. Amazing.

>And calling to kill all Russians is called racism.

As is calling to kill all "men with female-like tities" who know they are "men with female-like tities", according to your logic.

>Christianity, Islam, Nationalism - all forms of Communism.

At least call it collectivism. You sound like a complete cretin who redefined half the dictionary and tries to communicate with people, futilely.


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Re: Sadkov goes his own way
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2021-07-13 08:04 (ссылка)
Как же у меня бомбануло от индивидуализма с групповой ответственностью. Я наверно полтора часа высирал эту простыню, в состоянии аффекта наверно. Сейчас стыдно на это смотреть.

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Re: Sadkov goes his own way
[info]nashgold
2021-07-13 13:23 (ссылка)
>individualist group norms

Individualist can't belong to any group. By the definition of being individualist. You're fucking retarded. It makes no sense to argue with you. Hope WW3 comes soon, so the "individualist" scum like you will die on the front lines, following the orders of their individualist group politruk.

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Re: Sadkov goes his own way
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2021-07-13 16:51 (ссылка)
>Individualist can't belong to any group. By the definition of being individualist

Google finds 520 occurrences of "individualist group norms" on the internet. So it's by your retarded definition, not by the commonly understood one.

Your individualists are a group by the virtue of having common behavior and belief system. If there is an infestation of Sadkov's individualists in a forest, with accompanying theft and murder around the forest, a more primitive tribal society would immediately treat you as a group and exterminate everyone who could be identified by the apparent behavioral patterns, such as distancing, thinking they are better than others etc. A modern EU country would designate the ideology of Sadkov's "individualists" as extremist, ban communicating it, and the group itself as an extremist group. Similarly Sadkov's individualists in the forest, even though they believe that they are not a group on the surface level, will be forced to learn to identify other "individualists", effectively treat themselves as a group, known type of people, because they are more psychopathic and dangerous to deal with, and have significantly different behavior. So cognitively, "individualists" will be treated as a group by everyone, and they will be a group while there is a single non-individualist remains to think of them as a group explicitly.

"We are not a group" is not that different from "We are blessed by the God after we accepted him in our hearts". Just a belief.

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Re: Sadkov goes his own way
[info]nashgold
2021-07-13 20:14 (ссылка)
>Google finds...

Not Google. YOU use search engine (a tool) to find nonsense defined by retards like yourself.

>Individualism is extremism
Indeed. Anything individualistic usually gets labeled extremist, because individualism is just not good for the governments and even smaller groups.

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Re: Sadkov goes his own way
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2021-07-13 20:51 (ссылка)
>YOU use search engine (a tool) to find nonsense defined by retards like yourself.

Are there any "non-retards" other than you who definite individualism in similar ways? I know of similar views, but those are not called individualism. It's impossible to find anything but individualisms that have group norms. So neither I nor google to blame.

Almost all occurrences of that word sequence come from academic writing. Maybe they are "commies" (as defined by you), i.e. non "Sadkov's individualists", but their raw intelligence and overall mental health is likely much higher, by the virtue of them being able to finish higher education and advance in an academic career. Don't be jealous.

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[info]nashgold
2021-07-14 00:25 (ссылка)
>Are there any "non-retards" other than you who definite individualism in similar ways?

Why do you scum always need some authoritative opinion? Do you have no own brain? Just kill yourself, Russian subhuman.

>Academic = good
Academia is just a bunch of conformist scum, self plagiarizing and circle-citing each other critical race theory papers. If tomorrow niggers will loot all universities and kill all professors, nothing of value will be lost.

>Maybe they are "commies" (as defined by you)
Yeah. And Stallman and Chomsky are perfect example of non-commies. Academia are commies by definition of their funding source = taxpayers. They don't make money by selling some useful product. If they are lucky, some pharmacy will hire them to sell some vaccine, or create some virus (real or fake) to sell a vaccine. That doesn't make them any more trustworthy, just like you don't trust the "penis enlargement" ads.

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2021-07-14 01:16 (ссылка)
>Why do you scum always need some authoritative opinion?

It's not about authoritative opinions. It's about common language use. Attempting to communicate using personal definitions without disclaimers or careful descriptions is just wacko behavior.

>all universities and kill all professors, nothing of value will be lost.

I guess they've invented the 5 nm lithography process without academic knowledge(quantum mechanics, material science, microscopy etc) and government funded research programmes. You can also look up who contributed to development of DNNs and machine learning in general. They are ALL academics, either in universities or in monopolists' research labs, or in both, which are not different because academics there also publish research and don't develop any products.

>make them any more trustworthy

Their work is at least usually internally consistent, without glaring flaws. Even in humanities. That couldn't be said about anything of your making.

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2021-07-14 01:42 (ссылка)
>race theory papers.

Critical race theory is just academic anti-white racism. You shouldn't look down upon fellow racists.

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[info]nashgold
2021-07-13 13:26 (ссылка)
>Most Africans you ever had contact with don't even identify as black people

All African here in the camp are pan-African nationalists. They want to "kill all whites," (including me) because "whites raped Mamma Africa." They listen to rap music and follow the general African culture.

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2021-07-13 17:10 (ссылка)
So they treated you as a white, without asking if you identify as white. Oh the horror. They grouped you without consent. The same way they would group your individualists, without caring about what they believe.

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[info]nashgold
2021-07-13 20:18 (ссылка)
I have white skin, so I'm obviously white. And I'm obviously not interested in their primitive culture. Africans themselves have little individualism. Once you've seen one, you've seen them all.

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2021-07-14 21:21 (ссылка)
>I'm obviously tatars mixed with finno-ogres. Once you've seen one, you've seen them all.

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2021-07-12 20:24 (ссылка)
>and insist going his own way.
>kill all Russians is called racism.

There is one big non sequitur buried here. How does one go from insisting on going their own way to killing all Russians/niggers? If racism is separation and distancing oneself, it's definitely has nothing to do with killing.

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[info]nashgold
2021-07-13 10:00 (ссылка)
>How does one go from insisting on going their own way to killing all Russians/niggers? If racism is separation and distancing oneself, it's definitely has nothing to do with killing.

Russians actively prevent people distancing. For example, Chechens tried ot leave Russia, and you know what happened to them. Today Russia tries to subdue the entirety of Europe. And I don't have a citizenship of another country or enough firepower for separatism, so the only way for me to distance from Russians is to go on a personal war against them. If you hate some nigger, yet locked with said nigger in the same room, without ability to leave, you will kill that nigger, unless you're a nigger-lover commie degenerate.

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2021-07-13 17:38 (ссылка)
Europeans, Ukrainians, Americans, all your destination countries of choice are all sill groups with group norms, which they would enforce onto you. So you are basically saying that you need your own autonomous country, or you would start killing people (commies/niggers), because you are locked with them, they don't allow you to go your own way, you lack common interest with them, and you can't be represented by a shared government.

What size of country do you need to be at peace?

>If you hate some nigger

There was nothing about hate in your definition of racism above. It was about "rejecting that you have something in common with the niggers, and insisting on going your own way". "not having something in common" != hate, unless you automatically hate everyone you don't have something in common with(all the people).

If you already hate someone, why hide behind some contrived "individualism", lie to yourself and others, when you can just be honest with yourself, and say that killing someone you hate is what you want regardless, and it's just a little bit lower on your wish-list than having a career in game development or something. That would explain your behavior much better, and it's not inconsistent.

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2021-07-13 00:02 (ссылка)
>Once you identify yourself with said group, you are responsible for it.

You also called yourself "white trash". So you are responsible for the deeds of any trashy whites around the world. Very individualistic.

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[info]nashgold
2021-07-13 13:21 (ссылка)
Except Russians are non-white, they are the tatars mixed with finno-ogres.

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2021-07-13 16:56 (ссылка)
So you lied? You are not white? Who cares? You explicitly said that you are "white trash", so you self-identified with them. That's enough by your definition to be responsible for them, for any of their deeds. You also called yourself of being of Ukrainian descent. That's also self-identification. So you are also responsible for Ukrainians.

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[info]nashgold
2021-07-13 20:08 (ссылка)
I'm white. Russians are not.

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2021-07-13 20:24 (ссылка)
Who cares about Russians or being white? That's not the subject of discussion. The subject of discussion is your moronic anti-social tribalism where you ended responsible for millions of people by your own definitions, which is antithetical to any sane definition of individualism.

>I'm white.

I guess you reiterate your responsibilities.

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[info]nashgold
2021-07-14 13:42 (ссылка)
>Who cares about Russians or being white? That's not the subject of discussion.
That discussion subject here is the Russians being subhumans, which should be purged by the next Hitler. And everyone should be helping with digging a large enough mass grave for these pigs.


>The subject of discussion is your moronic anti-social tribalism where you ended responsible for millions of people by your own definitions, which is antithetical to any sane definition of individualism.
Definitions are relativistic. Just like everything else. Only the communist scum like you will be referencing some Bolshaya Soviet Encyclopedy in their daily life. And the truly accomplished individualist will be speaking his/her own language, which would be hermetic to the outside observer. Just like the different nations distance from each other by forming incompatible languages. Language is very important, since it can both enslave and give freedom - it determines consciousness. Your beloved academic scum call it "linguistic relativity," and propose ways to fight it.

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[info]nashgold
2021-07-12 13:35 (ссылка)
>So it has been a premeditated stealing from the Dutch.
And Dutch are not innocent. They are the ones supporting Nord Stream 2 and buying Russian natural resources, in effect delaying the collapse of Russia, and preventing China from uyghurising the subhuman pig-dogs. Dutch also push this "non-violent" protest nonsense, when Russia needs a bloody revolution ending in a total cleansing. So yes, Dutch owe me political protection from the Russian scum.

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a person who behaves in a way that is stupid or not sensible, especially one who is mentally ill
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2021-07-12 18:25 (ссылка)
Yeah yeah. The whole world trades with Russia, has diplomatic relationship with them, doesn't try to destroy them and does not currently isolate them, which is aiding and abetting of course, so the whole world owes you and is liable for destruction as accomplices.

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2021-07-12 21:12 (ссылка)
Russian scum:
>yes, Dutch owe me

yes, the Dutch owe you a good kick on your Russian scum ass

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[info]nashgold
2021-07-12 01:22 (ссылка)
>you robbing them of thousands of euros spent on your asylum processing
All the processing that was required of them was putting a stamp on a paper, allowing me free pass through their shitty communist country. Everything else is useless and unhelpful.

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2021-07-12 20:31 (ссылка)
You are useless and unhelpful.

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