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	deevrod 2017-02-10 03:35 (ссылка)
	Во Flyover states есть консервативные чёрные проповедники? (Ответить) (Уровень выше) (Ветвь дискуссии)

	tiphareth 2017-02-10 03:49 (ссылка)
	да небось есть но по ссылке в основном белые, разницы-то никакой (Ответить) (Уровень выше) (Ветвь дискуссии)

deevrod
2017-02-10 04:16 (ссылка)

Как никакой? Белый протестантизм и чёрный -- это два разных культа, с непересекающимися множествами исповедников. То, что происходит в чёрном, на белый влияет ну очень опосредованно.

А вообще страта 'негры за Трампа' очень узкая, и в каком-то смысле более цивилизованная (более богатая и более образованная), чем негры в среднем. А этот Мэннинг, подозреваю, окучивает как раз наименее цивилизованную часть (Африку в расчёт не берём). То есть базы у него никакой нету.

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	kaledin 2017-02-10 04:44 (ссылка)
	>То, что происходит в чёрном, на белый влияет ну очень опосредованно. Это ты вопрос не изучал. Например, все pentecostals, включая уродов со змеями, происходят вот от этого. (Ответить) (Уровень выше)

tiphareth
2017-02-10 05:10 (ссылка)

> Белый протестантизм и чёрный -- это два разных культа, с непересекающимися множествами исповедников.

не, одно и то же совершенно

то есть и то и другое производное от телеевангелизма,
причем белого телеевангелиста от черного отличить невозможно, если выключить изображение

ну и религия у них одна
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology
вот например два евангелиста, Creflo Dollar
и Oral Roberts, кто их них черный, кто белый?
из биографии и вероучения никак нельзя, разницы
никакой нахуй, я серьезно

Dollar began developing World Changers Ministries Christian Center in 1986.[6] He held the church's first worship service in the cafeteria of an elementary school in College Park, with eight people in attendance. He later renamed the ministry as World Changers Church International (WCCI), and the congregation moved from the cafeteria to a dedicated chapel. Four services were held each Sunday, and Creflo added a weekly radio broadcast. On December 24, 1995, WCCI moved into its present location, the 8,500-seat facility known as the World Dome. The church has said that the nearly $18 million World Dome was built without any bank financing.[7] As of 2007, the congregation reported having around 30,000 members, and $69 million in revenue (gross cash collections) for 2006.[8]

In June 2012 Dollar was arrested in an alleged attack on his daughter, in accordance with the Fayette County, Georgia, Sheriff's Office. [9] The charges were dropped in January 2013 after he attended anger management classes.[10] Fayette County Police Department released details of a 911 call.[11]

In October 2012, Creflo Dollar Ministries leased Loews Paradise Theater in The Bronx for a new church location in New York.[12]
Dollar is known for his controversial teachings regarding prosperity theology, or the gospel of wealth.[13] He has long been criticized for living a lavish lifestyle; he owns two Rolls-Royces, a private jet, and real estate such as a million-dollar home in Atlanta, a $2.5 million home in Demarest, New Jersey, and a $2.5 million home in Manhattan,[15] which he sold for $3.75 million in 2012.[16] Dollar has refused to disclose his salary. Creflo Dollar Ministries received a grade of "F" (failing) for financial transparency by the organization Ministry Watch.[13][17]

On November 6, 2010, United States Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa, as ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee, began an investigation of several ministries, including Dollar's. Grassley asked for financial information to determine whether Dollar made any personal profit from financial donations and requested that Dollar's ministry make the information available by December 6, 2007. The investigation also asked for information from five other televangelists: Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Eddie L. Long, Joyce Meyer, and Paula White.[18] Dollar contested the probe, arguing that the proper governmental entity to examine religious groups is the IRS, not the Committee on Finance.[19]

On November 24, 2014, Dollar's private Gulfstream III jet, N103CD ran off the runway at Biggin Hill Airport, United Kingdom.[20] There were no serious injuries.[21] To replace the old jet, Dollar launched a fundraising campaign to get his followers to pay approximately $60,000,000 for a new Gulfstream G650 jet. He suggested his followers each commit to giving "$300 or more." The jet he wanted was the "fastest plane ever built in civilian aviation" at that time.[22][23][24] After receiving immediate backlash, Dollar ended his fundraising campaign. The project was kept as an option on the donation page of the ministry's website.[25] Several months later, the board of World Changers Church International announced that they were ready to acquire a Gulfstream G650.[26]

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	(Анонимно) 2017-02-10 17:36 (ссылка)
	Oral Roberts и Anal Dollar. (Ответить) (Уровень выше)

tiphareth
2017-02-10 05:12 (ссылка)

Roberts resigned his pastoral ministry with the Pentecostal Holiness Church to found Oral Roberts Evangelistic Association (OREA).[1] He conducted evangelistic and faith healing crusades across the United States and around the world, claiming he could raise the dead.[17][18] In November 1947, he started Healing Waters, a monthly magazine as a means to promote his meetings.[19] Thousands of sick people waited in line to stand before Oral Roberts so he could pray for them. He appeared as a guest speaker for hundreds of national and international meetings and conventions. Through the years, he conducted more than 300 crusades on six continents, and personally laid hands in prayer on more than 2 million people.[12][20][21] He also ran direct mail campaigns of seed-faith, which appealed to poor Americans, often from ethnic minorities. At its peak in the early 1980s, Roberts was the leader of a $120 million-a-year organization employing 2,300 people. This spanned not only a university but also a medical school and hospital as well as buildings on 50 acres (200,000 m2) south of Tulsa valued at $500 million.[6][16] Another part of the Oral Roberts Evangelistic Association, the Abundant Life Prayer Group (ALPG), was founded in 1958.[1]

In 1963, he founded Oral Roberts University (ORU)[1] in Tulsa, Oklahoma, stating he was obeying a command from God. The university was chartered during 1963 and received its first students in 1965. Students were required to sign an honor code pledging not to drink, smoke, or engage in premarital sexual activities. The Prayer Tower, opened in 1967, is located at the center of the campus.

Roberts was a pioneer televangelist, and attracted a vast viewership. He began broadcasting by radio in 1947,[22][23] and began broadcasting his revivals by television in 1954.[6] His television ministry continued with The Abundant Life program reaching 80% of the United States by 1957, and quarterly Prime Time Specials from 1969 through 1980. In 1996, he founded Golden Eagle Broadcasting.[1]
On March 17, 1968, Roberts and his wife were received as members of the Boston Avenue United Methodist Church in Tulsa, Oklahoma by Dr. Finis Crutchfield, then pastor. The United Methodist Church offered more leniency in doctrinal and moral issues than the Pentecostalism. This granted Roberts some leeway, as it was expected that the strictness of the Pentecostal tradition may have impeded his rise in popularity.[24] Before Roberts' switch to Methodism, Crutchfield arranged a meeting between Roberts and Bishop William Angie Smith, at which the Bishop told Roberts, "We need you, but we need the Holy Spirit more than we need you and we've got to have the Holy Spirit in the Methodist Church."[25] Roberts became an elder in the Oklahoma Conference of the United Methodist Church. From 1968 through 1987, Roberts was a member of the United Methodist Church's ministry.[26][27]

Roberts affected the American Protestant community. According to one authority in conservative Protestant culture, his ministry's influence was second only to Billy Graham.[4][28][29] His divine healing ministry called for prayer to heal the whole person—body, mind and spirit.[30] Many labeled him a faith healer, but he rejected this with the comment: "God heals—I don't."[4][7] He played a major role in bringing American Pentecostal Christianity into the mainstream.[31] Even though Roberts was often associated with the prosperity gospel and the faith movement because of his close doctrinal and personal ties with Word-Faith teachers, his abundant life teachings did not fully identify him with that movement.[32]

In 1977, Roberts claimed to have had a vision from a 900-foot-tall Jesus who told him to build City of Faith Medical and Research Center, and the hospital would be a success.[33][34][35] In 1980, Roberts said he had a vision which encouraged him to continue the construction of his City of Faith Medical and Research Center in Oklahoma, which opened in 1981. At the time, it was among the largest health facilities of its kind in the world and was intended to merge prayer and medicine in the healing process. The City of Faith operated for only eight years before closing in late 1989, but the importance of treating the whole person—spirit, mind, and body—was conveyed to many medical professionals.[36][37] The Orthopedic Hospital of Oklahoma still operates on its premises. In 1983 Roberts said Jesus had appeared to him in person and commissioned him to find a cure for cancer.[38][39]

Roberts' fundraising was controversial. In January 1987, during a fundraising drive, Roberts announced to a television audience that unless he raised $8 million by that March, God would "call him home."[40][41] However, the year before on Easter he had told a gathering at the Dallas Convention Center that God had instructed him to raise the money "by the end of the year" or he would die.[42] Regardless of this new March deadline and the fact that he was still $4.5 million short of his goal,[43] some were fearful that he was referring to suicide, given the impassioned pleas and tears that accompanied his statement. He raised $9.1 million.[44] Later that year, he announced that God had raised the dead through his ministry.[45] Some of Roberts' fundraising letters were written by Gene Ewing, who headed a business writing donation letters for other evangelicals such as Don Stewart and Robert Tilton.[46]

Roberts maintained his love of finery and one obituary claimed that even when times became economically hard, "he continued to wear his Italian silk suits, diamond rings and gold bracelets—airbrushed out by his staff on publicity pictures".

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